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Helen Verch LLEWELYN

Helen Verch LLEWELYN

Female Abt 1234 - Aft 1295  (~ 61 years)

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  • Name Helen Verch LLEWELYN  [1, 2, 3
    Born Abt 1234  Caernarvonshire, Walesey, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Alt. Death Aft 1291  [3
    Alt. Death 
    FamilySearch ID GMN1-GP5 
    _UID 059146DAD5C9430398C1B507CD4AC7A532BA 
    Died Aft Feb 1294-1295  Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Person ID I11739  Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy
    Last Modified 2 Jan 2023 

    Father Llewelyn Ap IORWERTH, Prince Of Wales,   b. 1173, Aberffraw Castle, Aberffraw, Anglesy, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 11 Apr 1240, Conwy, Caernarfonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 67 years) 
    Mother Mistress Unknown,   b. Abt 1210, Wales, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Family ID F5241  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Malcolm MACDUFF, 7th Earl Of Fife, Sir,   b. Abt 1208, Fifeshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1266  (Age ~ 58 years) 
    Married 1st Husband Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3, 5
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2016 
    Family ID F5236  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Earl Donald Of MAR, Sir Knight,   b. Abt 1243, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 25 Jul 1297, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 54 years) 
    Married Abt 1269  2ND Husband Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Children 
     1. Margaret (Marjory Or Mary) De MAR,   b. Abt 1270, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 24 Jul 1326, Dunrobin Castle, Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 56 years)
     2. Gratney 7Th Earl De MAR, Sir,   b. Abt 1272, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef Sep 1305  (Age ~ 33 years)
     3. Isabel (Matilda) De MAR,   b. 11 Jul 1277, Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 12 Dec 1296, Cardross, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 19 years)
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2016 
    Family ID F224  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Helen, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41-5]

      Helen or Elen, illegitimate daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, widow of Malcolm, Earl of Fife. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41b-5]

      This Helen was illegitimate and born very late- shortly before Llewellyn's death.

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      His [Donald 6th Earl of Mar's] wife, and mother of Isabel, was Helen, widow of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife, d. 1266, and daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of North Wales. Helen's first husband must have been an old man when she married him, for he succeeded his uncle in 1228. When he died, his son and heir was Colban, the 8th Earl, then under age, who had been knighted in his teens in 1264. Colban was married in his nonage, for when he died in 1270, when he could not have been more than 24, his heir was his son Duncan, aged 8. (Mr. Balfour Paul believes Colban's wife Alice was one of three daughters and co-heirs of Sir Alan Durward. If so, his issue shared with the Soulis family the descent from Alexander II of Scotland. However, since the line of his heir Duncan has died out, remaining descendants of this line would stem from younger children of Colban and Alice, if there were any.) The Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, who was successively the wife of Malcolm and of Donald, and mother of the children of both, appears clearly the daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth but must not be confused with his daughter Helen, successively the wife of John le Scot, Earl of Chester, and of Robert de Quincy, whose mother was Princess Joan. [Ancestral Roots, Line 252-30]

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      He [Malcolm MacDuff 7th Earl of Fife] m. Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of Wales. He d. 1266. His widow m. Donald, Earl of Mar, who d. about 1292. She was living 1291. [Complete Peerage V:373]

  • Sources 
    1. [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 41-5, 41b-5 (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 252-30 (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, V:373 (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 1853 (Reliability: 3).

    5. [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 41b-5 (Reliability: 3).