James Robert COTHERN

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Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. "Lettie" Lucretia COTHERN

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Elijah married Lucretia "Creasy" RIALS. Lucretia (daughter of Moses Edward RIALS and Sarah "Sallie" CARNEY) was born in Jan 1829 in Marioun County, Mississippi; died in 1895 in Jayess, Mississippi. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Excerpt from 16 Aug 1932 text written by W.B. Russell age 82:
"Grandfather had four boys and four girls. Creasy was the oldest child, born in 1829. She married William Brewer and had four children. Then she married Elija Cothers and had two children, Ben and Bob, who are yet alive. The Brewer children are dead."
"Lucresia Rials Brewer Cothern died at B.F. Boyd's in 1895. Paralysis, I believe was the cause."

Lawrence County, MS, Deed Book H, Page 163: Indenture January 1, 1858, Milton J. Whitworth and wife to Mrs. Lucretia A Brewer. $50. Lot 9 of Block u, fronting 50 feet on Minnesota St. 200 feet deep. P/o Sec. 18 T7N R8E, Brookhaven, MS. March 20, 1860. Lucretia A Brewer to A Monseau. $80. Same property as above. DB H-164. Marion county, MS, 1860 census, house 90: Moses Ryals 54 and wife Sarah 51 Daughter Lucretia Brewer 31 and her children Wm. 8, Sarah 5, Napoleon 2. Marion county, MS, 1870 census, house 675: Lucretia with husband Elijah Cothern. Her age given 44. Birthplace of all family members given as MS. Pike county, MS, 1880 census, house 27: Lucretia initials given as L C, age 53, birthplace LA [See note for 1870 before using this]. In same census, next house, #28, is her son William W and his family. House #30 is Fielding Dunaway f/of William's wife Elizabeth. From booklet "Bogue Chitto Baptist Church, Carters Creek, MS 1812-1962, Celebrates Its Sesquicentennial". Booklet gives brief history of church. One item: 1884 Enon Baptist Church was organized in The Grange hall, located near the Head of Carter's Creek. The following members were granted letters of dismissal from Bogue Chitto into this organization. W. W. Brewer, Elijah Cothern, Lucretia Cothern, and 20 others. This proves Lucretia lived at least to 1884. W. W. Brewer was her son by David Brewer.

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Settled in Lawrence County, Mississippi.

Moses' first wife was Sarah Sallie Carney, with which he had 9 children. After Sarah died in 1868, Moses remarried in 1869 to Mary Wallace and he fathered four more children. Must consider possibility Mary Wallace had children from prior marriage.

Excerpt from 16 Aug 1932 text written by W.B. Russell age 82:
"Moses Rials, Morn May 11, 1804, died on his 86th birthday, May 11, 1890. Moses Rials married Sallie Carney, daughter of John Carney, son of Ikenably, an Indian Chief. John Carney's mother was American.
Grandma Sallie Carney had a sister, Pollie, whose posterity dead. She married a green. I remember visiting her. She lived on what is now known as the Pollie Green place, half a mile southeast of where Uncle John Rials and wife are buried (old Mismark Church). One daughter of John Carney married a Baugh, posterity lives in the counties of Smith, Simpson and Hines."

The 1870 census for Marion county, MS, Ancestry image 109, lists Moses Rials with wife Mary 37, and children Simon W 15, Joseph 14, Mahala 11 and Jeff Davis 10. This would put Simon's birth year as 1855, 7 years after Sarah Carney Rials 9th child when she would have been 47 years old. All of these children are proper age to be Mary's children.

Tylertown Times Thursday October 2, 1980:-----
--Moses Rials was born 11 May 1804, s/o George and Sallie Rials who came to MS from SC in 1815. his wife Sally Carney was born April 1808 and died 22 Aug 1868. She was d/o John Carney, son of the Choctaw Indian, Ikenabbee. Moses and Sally made their home in Lawrence at Bismark.

Moses married Sarah "Sallie" CARNEY in Probably Johnston County, NC. Sarah (daughter of John CARNEY and Ann) was born on 16 Apr 1808 in Tennessee; died on 22 Aug 1868 in Lawrence County, Mississippi. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Sallie
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Married her first Cousin, Moses Rials.
Settled in Lawrence Co, Mississippi, near Bismark.

Tylertown Times Thursday October 2, 1980:-----
--Moses Rials was born 11 May 1804, s/o George and Sallie Rials who came to MS from SC in 1815. his wife Sally Carney was born April 1808 and died 22 Aug 1868. She was d/o John Carney, son of the Choctaw Indian, Ikenabbee. Moses and Sally made their home in Lawrence at Bismark.

From Cheri Arickson:
moses rials wife sallie carney was born april 1808 and died aug.22 1868 she was the daughter of john carney son of choctaw indian chief Iklenabbe or Ikenaby it was spelled both ways in the book so I dont know which one is right i hope this helps."

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Georgetown Mississippi named after George, the first settler.

From discertation by W.B. Russell, August 16, 1932 when 82 years old:

"George and Sallie Rials moved from South Carolina in 1815 to about three miles east of White Bluff in Marion County, Mississippi, on the east side of Perl River. They resided there a few years and then moved to a mile north of White Bluff, on the Marion Branton place. After a few years they moved to the Joe Mullins place where John Mullins now lives. After a few years they moved to Bogue Chitto Station, Lincoln County, Mississippi, where they are buried (Marion County at that time)."

"George Rials had several girls and three boys. Aron Rials reared his family near Hazlehurst. Johnathan Rials reared his family in and near Brookhaven. One of his sons, Jesse Rials, is living near there at 87. He is the only surviving grandchild of George Rials. The Carneys lived on Tilton not far from the Tynes place. Moses Rials, born May 11, 1804. Died on his 86th birthday, May 11, 1890. Moses Rials married Sallie Carney, daughter of John Carney, son of Ikenably, an Indian Chief. John Carney's mother was American."

George married Sarah "Sallie" CARNEY about 1801. Sarah (daughter of Iklannabee (Ikenaby, Iklanby) John CARNEY and Sally Ann KEARNEY (CARNEY)) was born about 1788 in East Choctaw Indian Territory; died before 1850; was buried in Bogue Chitto Station, Old Marion Co, Missisippi. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Tylertown Times Thursday October 2, 1980:-----
--Moses Rials was born 11 May 1804, s/o George and Sallie Rials who came to MS from SC in 1815. his wife Sally Carney was born April 1808 and died 22 Aug 1868. She was d/o John Carney, son of the Choctaw Indian, Ikenabbee. Moses and Sally made their home in Lawrence at Bismark.

Settled in Lawrence Co., Mississippi.

From Cheri Arickson:
"I have a little information for you I got it from the rials- ryals family book at the library george ryalls married sallie? he came to ms. in 1813 from johnston county, north carolina near raliegh
there children were:
1 moses married sallie carney
2 aaron married mariah wooley
3 johnathon married susie lambert
4 matilda married john chapman
5 rebecca married? may have been his granddaughter was living with george in 1850.

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• Occupation: ; Captain
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• Census: 1820, Lawrence County, MS
• Residence: 1830, Marion, Mississippi
• Residence: 1840, Pike, Mississippi
• Census: 1850, Marion County, MS
• Residence: 1850, Marion, Mississippi

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John Carney, who was 1/4 Choctaw Indian, was born in Choctaw Indian Territory in 1775, as evidenced by Censuses of himself and his children. John was the son of Iklannabee, a half-blood Choctaw Indian Chief and Sally Ann Kearney, a white woman. Growing up, his family resided in Choctaw lands in eastern Mississippi. John Carney was a man of moderate wealth and influence, and while darker than many, could have passed for a white with full privileges. Through various times in his life, John held slaves to assist in his farming/plantation enterprises.

His Mississippi family was related to the Tennessee Carney's through their common heritage with his grandfather Arthur Carney, an Indian Trader, and who had at least two families concurrently. One with a white woman and one with an Indian Chief daughter (Princess), as was the custom at the time in establishing trade relations with the Choctaws. DNA testing of several Carney Family volunteers has confirmed the Mississippi John Carney (B: 1775) line is related through an exact match with 37 markers to the Tennessee John Carney (B: 1748) line.

Some years after the American Revolution, John reached the age of maturity and took a wife. He may have wanted to integrate into American white society and left his Indian lands in Mississippi as a young man, moving to be near his uncle John Carney (B:1748) in time for his first child to be born in 1791 at the age of 16 or 17. We do not know who his wife was, but she is apparently a white girl as evidenced by the diminishing note of Indian heritage. John stayed in Tennessee for around 25 years (during years of turmoil in Mississippi), as several of his children were born in North Carolina and in particular the well documented Elijah Carney, born in Davidson County, Tennessee in 1803. This is further supported by an 1816 Tennessee Court Case, where the State of Tennessee had brought a law suit against John Kerney Sr., John Kerney Jr., and Elijah Kerney over a land dispute. What is important in the filing of the lawsuit is that there are two John Carney's. With the elder John 30 years older than his nephew, it would stand to reason they defined these relations as John Senior and John Junior, from Mississippi origin.

Further to this, we find that one of John Jr.'s children, Nancy Carney - who in 1808 married Bartholomew Baugh in Tennessee, had as a witness to their marriage; John Blackburn - who was the husband of Lucy Carney (John Sr. daughter). You might also notice that the children of John from Mississippi also used many of the familiar family first names bore by the Tennessee Carneys families. All this evidence ties the two family lines of John from Mississippi together irrevocably with the John from Tennessee as close family.

We don't know when John left for Tennessee - as a youth if he was sent there with his father Iklannabee, or as a young man. A possible reason for the relocation to North Carolina/Tennessee from Mississippi was the aborted uprising against Spanish Control in 1781 and when the insurgency was crushed, several inhabitants of Natchez district and surrounds who had taken part or even sympathetic, took refuge in NC/TN. Also, at the end of the American Revolution in 1783, a great migration of persons loyal to one side or another were transitory to different lands. This is the time his grandfather Arthur Carney, was banished from Georgia as an English Loyalist and arrived in east Florida (Mississippi) from Georgia. Many, such as Trader John Turnbull (leader of Spanish revolt) and our John Carney returned later after the Spanish-American war of 1812 ended in 1814, perhaps arriving back in Mississippi in 1817.

William and Arthur Carney being Indian Traders were found trading in these areas from 1783 onwards, in towns such as St. Augustine, Pensacola, Mobile, Chickasaw Bluffs, New Orleans Fernandina, Bon Secour, etc. Other traders of note were Turner Brashear, Lachlan and John McGillivray, John Turnbull, and others. Turnbull has a close family relationship with the Carneys as seem to be locally the Brashears (Brassiers) and the Leflore's

A few years after Sarah "Sallie" was born in Tennessee, John took his family back to Mississippi arriving by 1817 with daughters Martha, Elijah and Sarah "Sallie". Mary and Nancy were married in Tennessee and John "Jack" Carney took a Tennessee bride, but at some point all the children moved to Mississippi also.

Some Census/Rolls:
John Carney on 1817 Tax Roll, Lawrence County MS (believed to be John B: 1775)
John Carney, Jr. on 1817 Tax Roll, Lawrence County MS (believed to by son John B: 1795)

Mississippi State Census Lawrence Co, 1818:
John Carney, Sen. -1 male over 21, 1 male under 21, 1 female over 21, & 2 females under 21. -with 2 slaves

Marion Co, MS -1820:
John Carney Sr. (over 45) is in Marion Co,. with a wife (over 45), son-Elijah & 2 daughters-Martha & Sarah.

Marion Co, MS 1830 Census:
John Carney, Senr. - 1male (60-70) and 1female (50-60) - 3 slaves
John Carney, Jr. on Marion Co, MS Census 1830
Elijah Carney on Marion Co, MS Census 1830

1840 Marion Co, MS Census:
1840, Marion County, John, Sr is between 60 & 70 years old.
Elijah Carney on Marion Co, MS Census 1840

Found in 1850 (age 70) Census of Marion Co, MS.
Census data: 1850 Marion in the House next to Elijah and family-
28 128 128 Curney John 70 M Farming
Birth: Unknown
29 129 129 Curney E. (Elijah) 44 M Miller
Te X
30 129 129 Curney M. (Mahalia) 47 F
Ga.
31 129 129 Curney P. (Polly) 15 F
Mis
32 129 129 Curney T. (Thankful)12 F
Mis X
33 129 129 Curney S. (Simeon) 10 M
Mis X
34 129 129 Curney J. (Jane) 8 F
Census Notes; Children went by middle name. John didn't know his exact place of birth, another indicator of Indian blood birth in Choctaw Indian Territory (Mississippi and east Alabama primarily). Note documentation of birth places, a family history gold mine.

Excerpt from 16 Aug 1932 text written by W.B. Russell age 82:
"Moses Rials, born May 11, 1804, died on his 86th birthday, May 11, 1890. Moses Rials married Sallie Carney, daughter of John Carney, son of Ikenably, an Indian Chief. John Carney's mother was American.
Grandma Sallie Carney had a sister, Pollie, whose posterity dead. She married a Green. I remember visiting her. She lived on what is now known as the Pollie Green place, half a mile southeast of where Uncle John Rials and wife are buried (old Bismark Church). One daughter of John Carney married a Baugh, posterity lives in the counties of Smith, Simpson and Hines."

Other researchers have attached unproven/improbable wives to John. His wife can't be Ann Lucas, because children of Ann Lucas were born in South Carolina, and documentation is clear marriage was too late, and Ann too young, to have had John's children. Sometimes son John's wife Mary Ann Simmons is confused with his dad and of course is incorrect. At the moment, we do not know for certain whom his wife was.

John Carney died before March 21, 1855, (probably around January 1855) when his heirs were found in Marion County Court, making an agreement on the settlement of his estate. His 6 children signed (some with an X) the settlement. In later years, John lived next door to his son Elijah, who was also appointed the executor of his estate.

Marion County Land Deeds Vol C pd 741 3-21-1855
An agreement of The Heirs
Of
John Carney decd
This agreement between Elijah Carney, John Carney, Mary Green, Martha Tullis, Sarah Ryalls, and Moses Ryalls her husband, Nancy Baw and Berthy Baugh her husband, the said Elijah John, Mary, Martha, Sarah, and Nancy ,- - - distributed and heirs of law of John Carney late of Marion County, Mississippi
Witnesseth, That for the purpose of making a speedy and communal division of the estate of said deceased, both real and personal of the property Agree to and with each other as follows: The Slaves belonging to said estate be divided among said distributed in kind, and we hereby agree that Berry -*-- Craft and Nathaniel M Ross may be the commissioners to make such a -*-- and the division to be made by them Shall be binding on all parties. Any in the Value of the Several Slaves (on all parties) Crossed thru ) of the slaves?, Shall be made good by parties out of the money or other property of Said Estate. As soon as the division made by Said Commissioners, which is expected will be in a few days, the dis-*-- muturally to execute to each other proper releases to pass their interest in said accuracy to the division; The real estate, and the balance of the personal estate Sold at public venue on a credit until the first of January next and for -*-- of making such sale the said Elijah Carney is to act as agent and trustee for the - *-- With the privilege of becoming a purchaser at the Sales if he chooses to do so, to take place in a few days, and the purchasers are all to give notes worthy for their purchases. Said Elijah Carney is to receive for the duties of such trustee Such Compensation as the commissioners, above name Shall Say, is right for of the Sales of the real and personal estate are to be applied to the payment of Expences, and distributed in the same mannor as if Said estate had been and according to law: All the heirs are to write in a deed of conveyance to the real estate, The cotton belonging to said estate may be sold at public Sale by the said Elijah Carney for himself agrees that he will faithfully perform the Such trust and agency, and he is to give Security for the Same.
Witness our hands and Seals This 21st day of March A. D. 1855
Elijah Carney [signed]
John X his mark Carney
Mary X her mark Green
Martha X her mark Tullis
Sarah X her Mark Ryalls
Moses X Ryalls
Nancy X Baw
Barthlamew Baugh [signed]
For value Received I hereby covenant and agree to and with the parties name instrument, that Elijah Carney trustee and agent therein named Shall and perform the duties of such trust and agency and made and render a Just account
Witness my hand and Seal This 21th day of March 1855
Elijah Carney [signed]
Filed 7th April 1855
Jno H Webb Clerk
Duly Recorded 7th April AD 1855
Jno H Webb Clerk

Other Documentation:
(1)From Mississippi Territorial tax records - Lawrence Co,:
TAX 1818: JOHN CARNEY, Lawrence Co,, MS: 160 acres, class 4, quality 2,
Location: Falling Creek, held under U.S. title, 1 pole, - State Tax $1.15, County: Tax - $1.31

1818: After tax list for 1818 there appears another list for:
"The Amount of Taxes Assessed and Not Liable to be Collected the Present Year." The statement is as follows: John Carney, Sr., overcharged in white pole State: $3.83, County $2.75.
TAX 1818: John Carney, Jr.: on Falling Creek, 1 Poll, tax - $0.83
(This provides evidence of a John Carney Sr. and Jr. in same Tax Roll)

(2)1819: LAWRENCE COUNTY, MS TAX LIST: JOHN CARNEY: on Pearl River - West, 1 poll $1.00.
1819: LAWRENCE COUNTY, MS TAX LIST: Barthemew Baw -Monticello, 1 poll- $1.00

COMMENT: Between 1820 and 1828- John Carney (the son) seems to be listed in Lawrence County and the rest of the family is in Marion County. This is not hard to understand if you know the area and the history of the changes in the county lines. Part of present day Lawrence County was in Marion and part of present day Marion was in Lawrence. The Pike county line has changed also. This might account for the fact that Elijah Carney was in Marion County in the 1830 census and in Pike County in 1840 census, then in Marion County in 1850.

(3)1828 to 1831, MARION Co,, MS TAX LIST: John Carney Sr, John Carney Jr, Elijah Carney, Silas Tullis, Barthomew Baw.
COMMENT: William Carney was in Marion county in 1828, but is not there in 1829. This could have been one of the Tennessee cousins who came to Mississippi but decided to go back or go west.

(4) 1840 Marion Co, MS Census:
John Carney Senr - 1 male (60-70) & 1female (50-60)
Elijah Carney - 1 m (20-30) & 1 f (20-30), 3 f (0-5)
John Carney Junr -1m (30-40), 1m (10-15), 1m (5-10), 2m (0-5), & 1f (20-30), 1f (10-15), 1f (5-10)
Silus Tullis - 1m(30-40), 2m(5-10) & 1f(20-30), 2f(0-5)
Bartholomew Baugh - 1m (40-50), 1m (10-15), 2m (0-5) & 1f (30-40), 2 (5-10), 1(0-5)

COMMENT: 1840 Marion Co, MS Census: We found John Carney, between 60 & 70 years old, Silus Tillus & Moses Rials. Elijah Carney was in Pike County and Bartholomew Baugh was in Simpson County. John Jr was not in Lawrence, Marion, Pike, Simpson, Smith or any of the surrounding counties. (John, Jr. was in Lauderdale Co)

1. Patent # 4890: Sept 28, 1836, John Carney, Senior, of Marion Co,, MS purchased the W ?,SE 1/4, Sec 27, TWP 5, Range 11E, containing 80 acres, at the rate of $1.25 acres amounting to $100 for which the said John Carney, Senior has made payment in full, as required by Law: signed -
John Carney Sr by Silos Tullos.
2. Patent # 4947: Oct 5, 1836, JOHN CARNEY, Senior, of Marion Co,, MS purchased the E ? , SW 1/4, Sec 27, TWP 5, Range 11E, containing 80 acres, at the rate of $1.25 per acre, amounting to $100. This was signed: John Carney Sr by Peter Q. Bridges.
3. Patent # 5071: Oct 22, 1836, John Carney, Junr. of Marion Co,, MS
purchased the NW 1/4, NW 1/4, Sec 21, TWP 5, Range 12E, containing 39.97
acres, at the rate of $1.25 per acre, amounting to $49.96. This was signed: John [X] Carney, Junr.
4. Patent # 5710: January 17, 1837, John Carney Senr of Marion County purchased the NW quarter, SW quarter, Sec 34 and the SE quarter of SE quarter of Sec 28, TWP 5, Range 11E, containing 80 acres at $1.25 per acre, amounting to $100. This one is signed John (X) Carney Senr.
5. On 30 Dec 1836, John Carney Senr gave a deposition in Lawrence County before J. Caldwell, Clk that he was buying this land for his own personal use and not in trust for another.

COMMENT: All of this land is near present day Lawrence & Marion Co, line. By looking at the map I found that T5N, R11E, - S27, 28 & 34, are SW of Tilton near Tiltons Creek. T5N R12E S16 is where Tiltons Creek empties into Pearl River SE of Tilton. Note Patent #5071: John Jr purchased land in T5N R12E S21 - just over the line in Marion Co, south of S16 (Harmon's land) in Lawrence Co.

Other Comments: Wife can't be Ann Lucas, because children of Ann Lucas were born in South Carolina, and documentation is clear marriage was too late, and Ann too young, to have had these children. Wife can't be sons Wife Mary Ann Simmons. PROOF OF DEATH is the Reading of the Will 1855. Often confused with son John "Jack" Carney in other researchers work.

Other Sources: Over 500 pages of Notes, Records and Files at the Carney DNA Project Jim Carney www.avocadoridge.com/jim March 2010

John married Ann. Ann was born in 1780 in North Carolina; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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I Can't confirm this person is John's wife... details are too similar to son John's marriage to Ann B. Lucas