Walter LUCY, Of Newington & Richards Castle, Sir

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WALTER LUCY, son and heir, was aged 40 and (much] more when he succeeded his father. His marriage made him a landowner in the West of England; as early as 1415 he was a commissioner in the marches of Wales, and later justice of the peace, and commisioner on several occasions in Hereford, Salop, and Worcs. In 1416 he was a knight, though it was as plain Walter Lucy, of Richard's Castle, that he had protection on going to the French war, January 1419/20, in the company of the Earl of March.

He married, in or before May 1385, Eleanor, elder daughter and coheir of Sir Warin ARCEDEKNE, by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John TALBOT, of Richard's Castle. He died 4 October 1444. His widow died 20 July 1447. [Complete Peerage VIII:261-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Walter married Eleanor L' ARCEDEKNE before May 1385 in Cornwall, England. Eleanor was born in 1383 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England; died on 20 Jul 1447. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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I question the marriage date.

1. Eleanor LUCY was born about 1407 in Wapenham, Northamptonshire, England; died before 1460.
2. Maud LUCY was born about 1409 in Wapenham, Northamptonshire, England; and died.

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REYNOLD LUCY, son and heir, was aged 40 and more at his father's death, and a knight already in 1387. He married, before February 1378/9, Margaret, whose parentage is not known. He died 9 November 1437. [Complete Peerage VIII:261, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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From soc.genealogy.medieval:

Dear Newsgroup ~

The immigrants Robert Abell, Richard More of the Mayflower and Rev. John Oxenbridge are lineal descendants of Reginald Lucy, died 1437, of Dallington, co. Northampton, and his wife, Margaret. Until now, Margaret Lucy's identity and parentage have been unknown. However, recently I came across this couple's marriage license in an obscure episcopal register:

"Kal. Jul. [1 July] 1369. At Heywod. To Reginald de Lucy, son of Sir Geoffrey de Lucy, and Margaret, daughter of Sir John de Moubrey, to be married in the chapel within Bretteby [Bretby] Castle [co. Derby]" [Reference: Lichfield Episcopal Registers, Register of [Bishop] Robert de Stretton, published in William Salt Archaeological Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 47].

As indicated by the license quoted above, the bride's name was Margaret Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray. Due to the name, chronology and place of marriage, Margaret Mowbray can be readily identified as a hitherto unknown daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Lord Segrave, of Bretby Castle, co. Derby.

In this case, the place of marriage is significant as Bretby Castle was one of the holdings of the Segrave family and fell to Mowbray family on the marriage of Elizabeth Segrave to John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray. This was presumably one of the Segrave family's principal residences, as Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, prepared his will in 1352 at Bretby [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 609]. I assume this license was missed by Lucy and Mowbray researchers as the Lucy family was seated principally at Northampton, whereas the Mowbray family's chief holdings were in cos. Lincoln and York. One would not expect to look in Derbyshire for a marriage license for this couple.

The newly discovered Margaret Mowbray gives the immigrants, Robert Abell, Richard More and John Oxenbridge an all new descent from King Edward I plus many other interesting connections. For newsgroup interest, I have prepared the descent down to Robert Abell. For fuller particulars of the Lucy and allied families, please see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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1. Edward I, King of England, married Margaret of France.

2. Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, died 1338, married Alice de
Hales.

3. Margaret of Brotherton, died 1399, married John de Segrave, 4th
Lord Segrave, born about 1315, died 1353.

4. Elizabeth Segrave, born 1338, married in 1349 John de Mowbray, 4th
Lord Mowbray, died 1368.

5. Margaret Mowbray, living 1393, dead before 1401, married by license
dated 1 July 1369 (as above) Reginald Lucy, Knt., of Dallington, co.
Northampton, born about 1360, died 1437.

6. Walter Lucy, knt., of Dallington, co. Northampton, died 1444. He
married Eleanor l'Arcedeckne, born about 1383, died 1447.

7. Eleanor Lucy, dead before 1460, married Thomas Hopton, Knt., of
Staunton-on-Arrow, co. Hereford, and Hopton Castle, Salop, born about
1399, living 1445.

8. Elizabeth Hopton, born about 1427, died 1498, married about 1448
Roger Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1467.

9. Richard Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1493, married
Elizabeth Devereux.

10. Robert Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1513, married
Elizabeth Vernon.

11. Dorothy Corbet, married Richard Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield,
Salop, died 1558.

12. Arthur Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield, Salop, died 1590, married
Margaret Mainwaring.

13. Mary Mainwaring, married Richard Cotton, Esq., of Combermere, co.
Chester, died 1602.

14. Frances Cotton, married George Abell, Gent., of Hemington (in
Lockington), co. Leicester, died 1630.

15. Robert Abell, born about 1605, immigrant to New England.

Reynold married Margaret De MOWBRAY on 1 Jul 1369 in Bretby Castle, Derbyshire, England. Margaret (daughter of John de MOWBRAY and Elizabeth De SEGRAVE) was born about 1362 in Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died before 1401. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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From soc.genealogy.medieval:

Dear Newsgroup ~

The immigrants Robert Abell, Richard More of the Mayflower and Rev. John Oxenbridge are lineal descendants of Reginald Lucy, died 1437, of Dallington, co. Northampton, and his wife, Margaret. Until now, Margaret Lucy's identity and parentage have been unknown. However, recently I came across this couple's marriage license in an obscure episcopal register:

"Kal. Jul. [1 July] 1369. At Heywod. To Reginald de Lucy, son of Sir Geoffrey de Lucy, and Margaret, daughter of Sir John de Moubrey, to be married in the chapel within Bretteby [Bretby] Castle [co. Derby]" [Reference: Lichfield Episcopal Registers, Register of [Bishop] Robert de Stretton, published in William Salt Archaeological Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 47].

As indicated by the license quoted above, the bride's name was Margaret Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray. Due to the name, chronology and place of marriage, Margaret Mowbray can be readily identified as a hitherto unknown daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Lord Segrave, of Bretby Castle, co. Derby.

In this case, the place of marriage is significant as Bretby Castle was one of the holdings of the Segrave family and fell to Mowbray family on the marriage of Elizabeth Segrave to John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray. This was presumably one of the Segrave family's principal residences, as Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, prepared his will in 1352 at Bretby [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 609]. I assume this license was missed by Lucy and Mowbray researchers as the Lucy family was seated principally at Northampton, whereas the Mowbray family's chief holdings were in cos. Lincoln and York. One would not expect to look in Derbyshire for a marriage license for this couple.

The newly discovered Margaret Mowbray gives the immigrants, Robert Abell, Richard More and John Oxenbridge an all new descent from King Edward I plus many other interesting connections. For newsgroup interest, I have prepared the descent down to Robert Abell. For fuller particulars of the Lucy and allied families, please see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Geoffrey married Katherine GREY. Katherine was born in 1335 in Herefordshire, England; died in 1400. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: John DE MOWBRAY
• Name: John DE MOWBRAY
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• Knighthood: Jul 1355; Mowbray and twenty-six others were knighted by King Edward III of England in July 1355 while English forces were at the Downs, before sailing to France.

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John de Mowbray, 4th Lord (Baron) Mowbray; born 25 June 1340, knighted 1355; married c1349 Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave in her own right, daughter of 4th Lord (Baron) Segrave and was killed by Saracens near Constantinople on his way to the Holy Land 9 Oct 1361. [Burke's Peerage]

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John de Mowbray, b. Epworth, 25 June 1340, d. Thrace 1368, 4th Lord Mowbray of Thirsk, crusader; m. c 1349 Elizabeth, Lady Segrave, b. 25 Oct 1338, dead 1368, daughter of John, Lord Segrave, by Margaret, daughter of Thomas de Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, son of Edward I. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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John de Mowbray, 4th baron, was summoned to parliament from 14 August, 1362, to 20 January, 1366, as "John de Mowbray of Axholme." This nobleman was in the wars of France in the lifetime of his father and he eventually fell, anno 1368, in a conflict with the Turks, near Constantinople, having assumed the cross and embarked in the holy war. His lordship m. Elizabeth, dau. and heiress of John, Lord Segrave, by Margaret, Duchess of Norfolk (dau. and eventually sole heiress of Thomas Plantagenet, of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk), whereby he acquired a great inheritance in lands, and the most splendid alliance in the kingdom. By this lady he had two sons, John and Thomas, and several daus., of whom one m. Roger, Lord de la Warre, and another m. John, Lord Welles; and a 3rd, Anne, was abbess of Barking. His lordship was s. by his elder son, Thomas de Mowbray. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 387, Mowbray, Earls of Nottingham, Dukes of Norfolk, Earls-Marshal, Earls of Warren and Surrey]

ohn (III) de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray (24 June 1340 ? 19 October 1368) was an English peer. He was slain near Constantinople while en route to the Holy Land.

Family
John de Mowbray, born 25 June 1340 at Epworth, Lincolnshire, was the son of John de Mowbray, 3rd Baron Mowbray, of Axholme, Lincolnshire, by his second wife, Joan of Lancaster, third daughter of Henry, 3rd Earl of Lancaster.

Career
Mowbray and twenty-six others were knighted by King Edward III of England in July 1355 while English forces were at the Downs, before sailing to France. In 1356, he served in a campaign in Brittany. He had livery of his lands on 14 November 1361; however, his inheritance was subject to the dower which his father had settled on his stepmother, Elizabeth de Vere. By 1369, his stepmother had married Sir William de Cossington, son and heir of Stephen de Cossington of Cossington in Aylesford, Kent; not long after the marriage, she and her new husband surrendered themselves to the Fleet prison for debt. According to Archer, the cause may have been Mowbray's prosecution of his stepmother for waste of his estates; he had been awarded damages against her of almost ?1000.

In about 1343, an agreement had been made for a double marriage between, Mowbray and Audrey Montagu, the granddaughter of Thomas of Brotherton, and Mowbray's sister, Blanche de Mowbray with Audrey's brother, Edward Montagu. Neither marriage took place. Instead, about 1349, a double marriage took place between Mowbray and Elizabeth de Segrave (also granddaughter of Thomas of Brotherton), and Mowbray's sister Blanche with Elizabeth's brother, John de Segrave, Pope Clement VI having granted dispensations for the marriages at the request of Mowbray's grandfather, the Earl of Lancaster, in order to prevent 'disputes between the parents', who were neighbours. Mowbray had little financial benefit from his marriage during his lifetime as a result of the very large jointure which had been awarded to Elizabeth's mother, Margaret of Brotherton, Duchess of Norfolk, who lived until 1399. However, when Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, 4th Baron Segrave, died on 1 April 1353, King Edward III allowed Mowbray to receive a small portion of his wife's eventual inheritance. Estate accounts for 1367 indicate that Mowbray enjoyed an annual income of almost ?800 at that time. Elizabeth then succeeded her father as 5th Baroness Segrave, her brother having predeceased their father.

Mowbray was summoned to Parliament from 14 August 1362 to 20 January 1366. On 10 October 1367, he appointed attorneys in preparation for travel beyond the seas; these appointments were confirmed in the following year. Mowbray was slain by the Turks near Constantinople while en route to the Holy Land. A letter from the priory of 'Peyn' written in 1396 suggests that he was initially buried at the convent at Pera, opposite Constantinople; according to the letter, 'at the instance of his son Thomas', his bones had been gathered and were sent to England for burial with his ancestors.

His will was proved at Lincoln on 17 May 1369. His wife Elizabeth predeceased him in 1368, by only a few months.

Marriage and issue
Mowbray married, by papal dispensation dated 25 March 1349, Elizabeth de Segrave (born 25 October 1338 at Croxton Abbey), suo jure 5th Baroness Segrave, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Baron Segrave (d.1353), and Margaret of Brotherton, Duchess of Norfolk, daughter and heiress of Thomas of Brotherton, son of King Edward I. Through the marriage, the Mowbray family gained the estate in Framlingham, Suffolk, including Framlingham Castle, which became the main seat of power for the Mowbray family for most of the 15th century.

They had two sons and three daughters:
1. Margaret de Mowbray (c.1361 - 24 April 1404), who married, by licence dated 1 July 1369, Sir Reginald de Lucy (d. 9 November 1437) of Woodcroft in Luton, Bedfordshire.
2. Joan de Mowbray (c.1363 - 30 November 1402), who married firstly Sir Thomas Grey (1359 ? 26 November or 3 December 1400) of Heaton near Norham, Northumberland, son of the chronicler, Sir Thomas Grey. They had four sons and one daughter, including John Grey, 1st Earl of Tankerville. She married secondly, Sir Thomas Tunstall of Thurland in Tunstall, Lancashire (c. 1360 ? 1415).
3. Eleanor de Mowbray (born before 25 March 1364), who married John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles.
4. John de Mowbray, 1st Earl of Nottingham (1 August 1365 ? 12 January 1383), who died unmarried, and was buried at the Whitefriars, London.
5. Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk (22 March 1366 - 22 September 1399)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Mowbray,_4th_Baron_Mowbray

John married Elizabeth De SEGRAVE about 1349. Elizabeth (daughter of John DE SEGRAVE, 4th Baron Segrave and Margaret DE NORFOLK, Duchess of Norfolk) was born on 25 Oct 1338 in Croxton, Leicestershire, England; died before 1368 in Leicestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Elizabeth, Lady Segrave, b. 25 Oct 1338, dead 1368, daughter of John, Lord Segrave, by Margaret, daughter of Thomas de Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, son of Edward I. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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Elizabeth de Segrave, who m. John de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray (slain near Constantinople on his way to the Holy Land in 1368), and had issue, John, and Thomas. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 485, Segrave, Barons Segrave of Barton Segrave]

ELIZABETH de Segrave (Croxton Abbey 25 Oct 1338-before 1368). A manuscript record of the Mowbray family states that "Johannes filius [Johannis]" married "filiam et h?redem domini de Segrave?Elizabetha"[1073]. m (1349) JOHN Mowbray, son of JOHN Mowbray Lord Mowbray & his wife Joan of Lancaster (Epworth 25 Jun 1340-killed in battle [Palestine] 1368). He succeeded his father as Lord Mowbray. [Medieval Lands.]

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John de Mowbray, 3rd Lord (Baron) Mowbray, JP (Lincs 1351); born 29 Nov 1310; incarcerated in Tower of London 26 Feb 1321/2, presumably for complicity in the father's rebellion; Keeper of Berwick-upon-Tweed 1340-41, a commander at English victory over the Scots of Neville's Cross 1346; married 1st 1325 Joan, 6th and youngest daughter of 3rd Earl of Lancaster, grandson of Henry III and had issue; married 2nd Elizabeth, daughter of the 7th Earl of Oxford and widow of Hugh de Courtenay, son of the 2nd Earl of Devon of the Feb 1334/5 creation, and died 4 Oct 1361. [Burke's Peerage]

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John de Mowbray, b. Hovingham, c. York, 29 Nov 1310, d. York, 4 Oct 1361, 3rd Lord Mowbray of Thirsk, MP 1327-1360; m. (1) c 28 Feb 1326/7, Joan Plantagenet, d. 7 July 1349; m. (2) Elizabeth, d. Aug or Sep 1375, daughter of John de Vere, 7th Earl of Oxford, and widow of Hugh de Courtenay, son & heir of Hugh, 2nd Earl of Devon. She m. (3) bef. 18 Jan 1368/9, Sir William de Cosynton. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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John de Mowbray, 3rd baron, was summoned to parliament from 10 December, 1327, to 20 November, 1360. This nobleman found much favour from King Edward III, who, in consideration of the eminent services of his progenitors, accepted his homage and gave him full livery of his lands before he came of full age. He was subsequently the constant companion in arms of his martial sovereign, attending him in his glorious campaign in France where he assisted at the siege of Nantes and the raising that of Aguillon. He was likewise at the celebrated battle of Durham (20th Edward III) [1347], and at one time was governor of Berwick-upon-Tweed. His lordship m. the Lady Joan Plantagenet, dau. of Henry, Earl of Lancaster, by whom he had issue, John, his successor. Lord Mowbray, who was styled in the charters, Lord of the Isle of Axholme, and of the honour of Gower and Bramber, d. in 1361, and was s. by his son, John de Mowbray, 4th baron. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 387, Mowbray, Earls of Nottingham, Dukes of Norfolk, Earls-Marshal, Earls of Warren and Surrey]

John married Joan PLANTAGENET about 28 Feb 1326-1327 in 1st Wife. Joan (daughter of Earl Henry PLANTAGENET, Of Lancaster and Maude DE CHAWORTH) was born on 26 Feb 1326-1327 in Grosmont Castle, Monmouthshire, Wales; died on 7 Jul 1349 in Byland Abbey, Yorkshire, England; was buried in Byland Abbey, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Joan, 6th and youngest daughter of 3rd Earl of Lancaster, grandson of Henry III. [Burke's Peerage]

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John married Margaret DE NORFOLK, Duchess of Norfolk. Margaret was born in 1320 in Framlingham Castle, Suffolk, England; died on 24 Mar 1399 in Herdeby, Lincolnshire, England; was buried in Mar 1399 in Christ Church Greyfriars Churchyard, London, City of London, Greator London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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