Constable John, Of Chester

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Lord of Pontefract, Baron of Halton, & Constable of Chester. When Robert de Lacy, Lord of Pontefract (RIN 2816) died on 21 Jun 1193 without any heir, all his Lacy estates went to his cousin, Albreda (RIN 839), the wife of Richard FitzEustace, Constable of Chester (RIN 838). According to "The Roll of the House of Lacy", there has been much confusion between this John and his son, John the crusader. Many sources list Alice de Mandeville as the wife of this John. According to "The Roll of the House of Lacy", she was the wife of John the crusader.

Family/Spouse: Alice De VERE. Alice (daughter of Lord Roger FITZRICHARD, Of Warkworth and Alice De VERE) was born about 1155; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Lord Roger De LACY was born in 1176 in Halton, Cheshire, England; died on 1 Oct 1211 in Pontefract, West Riding, Yorkshire, England; was buried in 1211 in Stanlow, Cheshire, England.

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Constable of Chester and Baron of Halton. W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194", genealogical chart following p 260. (pp. 175, 177-178): "By his second marriage Eustace had a son Robert. He in his turn married AUBREY DE LISOURS, daughter of AUBREY the sister of Ilbert II de Lacy, through whom the Pontefract honour descended in 1194 to ROGER DE LACY, grandson of Robert fitz Eustace."

Richard married Albreda De LISOURES. Albreda (daughter of Robert De LISOURES and Aubrey De LACY) was born about 1128; died after 1194. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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When her cousin, Robert de Lacy, Lord of Pontefract (RIN 2816*) died on 21 Jun 1193 without any heir, all his Lacy estates went to her. Her children by Robert de Lisours, including John, took the de Lacy name.

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Eustace married Agnes FITZNIGELL. Agnes (daughter of William) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Robert married Aubrey De LACY. Aubrey (daughter of Robert De LACY and Matilda) and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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From W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194": W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*, genealogical chart following p 260. (p.59): "Robert I succeeded his father Ilbert as head of the family, probably between 1091 and 1100. Almost as little is known about his career as about that of his father. The date of his birth cannot even be guessed, and the date of his death is uncertain. He was alive during the time of Thomas II, archbishop of York (1108-13). He was dead by 1129, when Robert de Lisours paid L12. 9s. 4d. for permission to marry Robert de Lacy's daughter Aubrey. ..... Robert's wife was called Matilda. She surviived into Stephens's reign, and perhaps even until 1155. They had three sons whose existence can be proved, as well as a daugher, Aubrey. Ilbert II suceeded Robert I, and Henry succeeded Ilbert when the latter died apparently childless. A third unnamed son was killed at the battle of the Standard, 22 August 1138, and was the only Anglo-Norman knight killed. Robert also had a son of his own name." (pp. 60, 61, 63): "Robert I was the first member of the family to found a monastery of his own. ..... Robert I was responsible for the foundation of the Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontefract, at some time during the reign of William I. ..... Robert I seems to have been an energetic founder and builder, for in addition to his ecclesiastical foundations he was probably responsible for the building of the Lacy castle at Clitheroe. There is no real evidence whatever for the suggestion sometimes advanced that Roger of Poitou built it." (pp. 66, 67, 68, 72): "Round about 1114 Robert I was banished from his English estates, though apparently not from those in Normandy, since his son was still in possession of his share of the lands there in 1133. The honour was granted to Hugh de Laval not later than 1118 ..... Although there is no evidence to connect him with England before he received Pontefract, Hugh seems to have regarded himself as the heir of the Lacy family and to have behaved much like any ordinary tenant-in-chief, unlike his immediate successor [William] Maltravers. ..... Maltravers was nothing more than an efficient lay administrator and financier who had risen in the service of the king in much the same way as Payn fitz John in the West Midlands. Payn was, however, a member of the lesser nobility; of Maltravers's origin nothing is known. He owed his position entirely to his abilities and to the king's recognition of them, to such an extent that by 1130 he had become a man of considerable substance. ..... The manner of his death has long been known, since the tale was told by Richard of Hexham. As soon as Henry I was dead, Maltravers was killed by a knight of the honour, and the way was open for the return to Pontefract of Ilbert II de Lacy. As an upstart who took no interest in the affairs of his barony save for what he could extract to recoup the sums he had paid for it, Maltravers must have incurred the dislike of established honorial barons like William Foliot and Roger Peitevin. They were the men who would suffer in pociket from his demands, and who would despise a man who could not be regarded as their lord and leader in the same way as a genuine member of the baronage." "Robert and Matilda had the following children: i. Aubrey de LACY. ii. Ilbert (2) de LACY. iii. Henry (1) de LACY. Besides these three children Wightman has "Robert (o.s.p.)" and "a knight (ob. 1138)", of whom he says "These two may be one and the same person", and also "Jordan (ob. ante 1166)".

Robert married Matilda. Matilda died after 1154. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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