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 Abt 1323 - 1396 (~ 73 years)
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| Name |
Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN [2, 3, 4, 5] |
| Born |
Abt 1323 |
Corfham, Shropshire, England  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Alt. Birth |
Abt 1332 |
Corfham, Shropshire, England |
| Alt. Birth |
| Alt. Birth |
Abt 1332 |
Of Corfham, Shropshire, England |
| Alt. Birth |
| Alt. Death |
29 Aug 1396 |
| Alt. Death |
| Alt. Death |
29 Aug 1396 |
| Alt. Death |
| FamilySearch ID |
GJJ5-Q3G |
| _UID |
E480EB67188745ED90C37B8B119B0D1AB380 |
| Died |
29 Aug 1396 [2, 4] |
| Person ID |
I10180 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
13 Dec 2022 |
| Father |
Richard "Copped Hat" FITZALAN, b. Abt 1313, Of Arundel, Sussex, England , d. 24 Jan 1376, Arundel, Sussex, England (Age ~ 63 years) |
| Mother |
Isabel LE DESPENCER, b. Abt 1312, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England , d. 11 Jan 1371, Arundel, Sussex, England (Age ~ 59 years) |
| Married |
9 Feb 1320 |
Kings Chapel, Havering-Atte-Bower, Essex, England |
| Annulled |
4 Dec 1344 |
Arundel, Sussex, England, United Kingdom [6] |
| Family ID |
F2972 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family |
John 4Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir, b. Abt Apr 1322, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England , d. 12 May 1361, Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England (Age ~ 39 years) |
| Married |
1352 |
England |
| Children |
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| Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
| Family ID |
F5075 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel. [Burke's Peerage]
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Mary (Isabel) fitz Alan, d. 29 Aug 1396; [m.] John Lestraunge [sic.], b. c Easter 1322, d. 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]
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Note: In "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage", www. medievalgenalogy.org.uk, it states "Mary was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th Earl of Arundel, not Richard the 10th Earl (see Arundel, vol 1, p. 244, note b)." This would also correct Burke's as well any other book that uses CP as a source.
Following is the discussion of the evidence:
CP Corrections, Volume 14, p.596 retains the identification of John Strange's wife Mary as a daughter of Richard, the 10th earl, but mentions Margaret Aston's argument, in Thomas Arundel, chart following p.436 (1967), that Mary was instead the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl. It adds that if this were so, Mary would have been aged about 40 when her son John was born.
Margaret Aston cites two records that place Mary as a sister - not a daughter - of Richard, the 10th earl: (i) in a petition to the Pope in 1364, she calls herself "Mary la Straunge, lady of Corfham, widow, and sister of the Earl of Arundell" [Cal. Papal Petitions, 1342-1419, p.484] and (ii) in Richard's will he refers to her as his sister [Reg. Sudbury, Lambeth, f.95v, cited by Aston, loc. cit.].
A third independent piece of evidence is an agreement between the attorneys of Richard, earl of Arundel and Surrey, and the attorneys of Isabel, late the wife of John Lestrange of Blakemere, concerning Isabel's dower, which refers to this John [Mary's son] as the earl's nephew, which "agreement shall be affirmed in the king's chancery" [Cat. Ancient Deeds vol. 3, C3059: English abstract of a French original]. This agreement is undated, but was probably made soon after 28 November 1375, when an order was enrolled to the escheator in Shropshire, to take an oath from Isabel not to marry without the king's licence, and to assign her dower in the presence of Richard, earl of Arundel, or his attorneys, sending the assignment under seal to be enrolled in chancery [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.176]. A note was later added to the agreement, recording the delivery of dower by the assent of Richard, now earl of Arundel, and the other executors of Richard, the former earl [who had died in January, 1375/6]. This was perhaps in June 1376, when following Isabel's unlicenced remarriage it was ordered that she should have her dower with the "assent of Richard now earl of Arundell and other the executors of Richard late earl of Arundell" [Cal. Close Rolls 1374-77, p.378].
As to the chronology, Mary's son John Lestrange was born in the early 1350s [Complete Peerage volume 12, part 1, p. 344], while Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, married while a minor in 1305 and was executed in 1326. From this it appears that Mary could have been under 30 when John was born. (However, Mary's daughter Ankaret, the eventual heir, was born later, about 1361 [p.345].)
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- [S579] Jim Weber.
- [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 8-32 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 2506 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 34-7 (Reliability: 3).
- [S222] Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml, CP I - Arundel (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 13 Dec 2022), entry for Richard "Copped Hat" FITZALAN, person ID LYK6-VQ2. (Reliability: 3).
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