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 Abt 1775 - Yes, date unknown
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| Name |
Arthur CARNEY |
| Born |
Abt 1775 |
Choctaw Indian Territory  |
| Gender |
Male |
| FamilySearch ID |
GJBZ-HK2 |
| _UID |
48F336D754054A90A5209857113487CAC5BA |
| Died |
Yes, date unknown |
| Person ID |
I112680642 |
Carney Wehofer Feb 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
4 Jan 2023 |
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| Notes |
- This Arthur is mentioned and has proved the relationship by a Will mentioned in a lawsuit in May 1813, Adams County. In this lawsuit, William is noted as having died without children, and in his Will, his considerable wealth was to be distributed to his nephews, Arthur Carney of the Choctaw Nation and William Carney of Georgia.
John Cummins and Nancy/Ann Breashears, guardians .
Testimony taken from Samuel Gibson of Port Gibson states that Arthur Carney took possession of some cash found in a trunk following the death of William Carney SR. Marian (aka Maria) & Elizabeth were heirs of Arthur Carney. John Taylor is Wm Carney's Att'y. (See WM Brocus VS Thomas Crabb) William Carney was Samuel Gibson's Uncle. WM Carney Sr. who died Jan 2, 1795 left his entire estate to his nephews. Arthur Carney of the Choctaw Nation & William Carney then of Camden Co. Ga. Arthur Carney deceived Williams as to the value of this estate and William accepted payment of $800.00 for his part witnessed by WM Davis & Rees when the estate was really worth more than $10,000
William Carney states that he was born Feb 28, 1779 and was therefore under age 21 at that time; and that he came to the MS Territory in 1806 and found out the truth about this estate.
Arthur applied to Colonel William Wards Register to become a 'citizen' and remain in Mississippi instead of being removed to Oklahoma:
June 13, 1831
Brashears, Alexander, Children: 3 [5] (6) under 10, 2 (3) over 10, Indian half breed, [Half blood Creek], (Suckenacha Creek).
Hancock, Robert, Children: 3 under 10, 2 (5) over 10, Indian half breed, [Half blood Choctaw], (Tombigbee River).
Kerney, Arthur, [Arthur Carney], Children: 2 under 10, 1 over 10, Indian Half-breed, (Tombigbee River).
others:
Brashears, Deleley, (Delila Brashears), Children: 3 under 10, 3 over 10, Half-breed woman, (Tombigbee River).
Brashears, Zadock, Children: 2 under 10, 1 [0] over 10, Half-breed man, (Tombigbee River).
Brashears, Turner, Jr., Children: none, Half-breed man, (Tombigbee River).
Source: National Archives, Microfilm Roll #170 and American State Papers, Volume 8, Public lands, Page 689
Adams County Court Records p 159
John Edgerill and Arthur Carney had been partners in mercantile business. Elderill began suit in year 1802, in Mississippi Territory, against Carney for an accounting of partnership. In 1803 before any decree or payment as made, Carney died and wife administered estate, she afterwards married John Cummins, who acted as admr. In right of wife until 1812, Edgergill died in 1807 and suite renewed in the name of Prosper and Richard King. The Kings obtained a degree against Cummins and wife, Joseph Nichols and his wife, who was a daughter of Carney
The wife of Arthur Jr's father; GA Arthur Carney was Elizabeth Aderton of Rowan Co. NC per will of her father which identified her...I'm not sure but Arthur Carney of GA may have been from Rowan Co. NC...I'll have to look that up in my NC files "Colonial GA Gen. Data l748-l783" which lists Arthur Carney SR ("St. John's Parish") located in Midway l762 and below is Arthur Carney JR in Midway, same date June
East Florida Census Note Arthur Carney he was in Mobile, LA 1786 , Choctaw Village 1787,Natchez 1785
Appendix 4, October 1784 Census
To: Zespedes; Abstract: Concerns the case against Manuel Solano and Arthur Carney. Deny charges of theft but admit that they beat up a negro named Frank; Source: LEFP: b195, M15. Lockey, E. Fla. Papers, pp. 284-85.
Adminstrator of Arthur's estate, John Cummings on OCT. 30, 1804....
Arthur Jr of Liberty, GA appears as a Loyalist (banished with some others that appear on 1779 Natchez petition with William Carney. These guys had Tobacco Plantations there to trade with the Indians so they were influential in Politics according to Dr Donald Panther Yates. This Arthur married Celeste Brashears as his white wife 1797 abt so he shouldn't be the same Arthur that married Mary White in NC, Mary went on to AR and died. The White Family in Choctaw, County , AL. So unless there was a divorce or one came right after the other. Celeste Apparantly may have died in childbirth leaving a Daughter Elizabeth. There was a daughter Marian who we don't know was her mother shows up in the Arthur of Natchez Estates lawsuits that went on til Elizabeth was grown, Her Grandmother Anna Brocas Brashears was her guardian. Matilda Cummings Arthur wife who remarried Cummings was in charge of the lawsuits, Marian may be her dau
His Indian Wife was Hoke who he had Jerry with and was baptised in 1795 Mobile, West florida I am thinking by Arthur, Hoke, Louis Leflore as Louis and Hoke 2 girls were baptised abt the same time. this was before he married Celeste Brashears who was a dau of Richard Brashears Commander at Ft. Tombecbe. She was Young abt 17 and she died 1798. After the Arthur in NC was married to Mary White.
<http://www.clanmcalister.org/yazoo.html> Arthur Carney was in one of the Disappearing Counties, Glynn County, GA.
As well as Traders McIntosh, Others. The Traders ususally had white wives in GA and when they brought trade among the Indian Villiages they had a Indian Wife as part of the Culture. Traders usually had one special village to exclusive trade.So, Bourbon County was in Existance as Natchez Counties 1785-1788 which definitely covers the times we have found Arthur with Jerry. The Arthur Brashears person is either our Arthur who may have come to the area again in 1792 or a son of Arthur from GA. I really think a lot of the evidence supports his going back and forth.. A lot of the traders in those times were Scot-Irish Men or British Traders, Carney of Course having come into the area with the French by 1731 was in an excellent position to develop cultural and leadership ties. It was usually the mixed blood children of these men that attained the stature of leadership during the removal period.so we have 2 ties to Traders with Hoke, Louis, and Arthur. There is a lot to substantiate the close ties with the namesakes of Jerry Kids, that kinship probably thru Hoke.or The father of Arthur I will look more into GA records now that I understand where to look. I think it is possible that the info I found GA Paper re Arthur and his orphans Jeremiah and Margaret is on the money. The Will probably ended up in litigation in GA because of the Brashears. Sometimes the Husband of the Daughters entered into that on their Behalf. Where we see that Jerry was in a suit with John Taylor. That could as well been part of the same suit. Never know if could be the Georgia Archives we find Supreme court info. I knew about these GA land schemes as that was mentioned in the Harrington Info, It is the Harrintons involved with Brashears in the Timeframe 1804.
So, The Arthur JR(maybe) could have inheirited as well. So... Just a line of reasoning.Remember the Elizabeth Carney suit Didn't you find they were found in favor of Carney? same as Jerry.?
This is my short list of reasoning for research at this point. as we left off
Hoke, Lefluers, and the law suits. DJ
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- [S425] National Archives, Arthur Carney application to remain in Mississippi as citiz en. (Reliability: 3).
- [S1105] Carney DNA Project, Carney DNA Project, (Consolidation of documents available through Carney DNA Project).
- [SAuth] Jim Carney, compiled by James H Carney [(E-ADDRESS), & MAILING ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE], Buderim, Queensland 4556 AUSTRALIA.
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