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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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 Bef 1360 - 1437 (~ 77 years)
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| Name |
Reynold (Reginald) LUCY [2] |
| Suffix |
Of Dallington, Sir |
| Born |
Bef 1360 |
Cublington, Buckinghamshire, England  [2] |
| Gender |
Male |
| FamilySearch ID |
L4WF-BJD |
| Title (Nobility) |
[3] |
| Sir Knight |
| _UID |
2C507EE6B1FC47C2ACEEBCB5C2E809A1F500 |
| Died |
9 Nov 1437 |
Dallington, Northamptonshire, England [2] |
| Person ID |
I13004 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
21 Nov 2022 |
| Father |
Geoffrey DE LUCY, b. Apr 1324, Cublington, Buckinghamshire, England , d. 12 Feb 1400, Cublington, Buckinghamshire, England (Age ~ 75 years) |
| Mother |
Katherine GREY, b. 1335, Herefordshire, England , d. 1400 (Age 65 years) |
| Family ID |
F536728097 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family |
Margaret De MOWBRAY, b. Abt 1362, Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England , d. Bef 1401 (Age ~ 38 years) |
| Married |
1 Jul 1369 |
Bretby Castle, Derbyshire, England [4] |
| Alt. Marriage |
Bef Feb 1378-1379 [2] |
| Alt. Marriage |
| Children |
| | 1. Walter LUCY, Of Newington & Richards Castle, Sir, b. Bef 1379, Wapenham, Northamptonshire, England , d. 4 Oct 1444, Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England (Age ~ 65 years) |
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| Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
| Family ID |
F6571 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- REYNOLD LUCY, son and heir, was aged 40 and more at his father's death, and a knight already in 1387. He married, before February 1378/9, Margaret, whose parentage is not known. He died 9 November 1437. [Complete Peerage VIII:261, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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From soc.genealogy.medieval:
Dear Newsgroup ~
The immigrants Robert Abell, Richard More of the Mayflower and Rev. John Oxenbridge are lineal descendants of Reginald Lucy, died 1437, of Dallington, co. Northampton, and his wife, Margaret. Until now, Margaret Lucy's identity and parentage have been unknown. However, recently I came across this couple's marriage license in an obscure episcopal register:
"Kal. Jul. [1 July] 1369. At Heywod. To Reginald de Lucy, son of Sir Geoffrey de Lucy, and Margaret, daughter of Sir John de Moubrey, to be married in the chapel within Bretteby [Bretby] Castle [co. Derby]" [Reference: Lichfield Episcopal Registers, Register of [Bishop] Robert de Stretton, published in William Salt Archaeological Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 47].
As indicated by the license quoted above, the bride's name was Margaret Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray. Due to the name, chronology and place of marriage, Margaret Mowbray can be readily identified as a hitherto unknown daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Lord Segrave, of Bretby Castle, co. Derby.
In this case, the place of marriage is significant as Bretby Castle was one of the holdings of the Segrave family and fell to Mowbray family on the marriage of Elizabeth Segrave to John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray. This was presumably one of the Segrave family's principal residences, as Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, prepared his will in 1352 at Bretby [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 609]. I assume this license was missed by Lucy and Mowbray researchers as the Lucy family was seated principally at Northampton, whereas the Mowbray family's chief holdings were in cos. Lincoln and York. One would not expect to look in Derbyshire for a marriage license for this couple.
The newly discovered Margaret Mowbray gives the immigrants, Robert Abell, Richard More and John Oxenbridge an all new descent from King Edward I plus many other interesting connections. For newsgroup interest, I have prepared the descent down to Robert Abell. For fuller particulars of the Lucy and allied families, please see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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1. Edward I, King of England, married Margaret of France.
2. Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, died 1338, married Alice de
Hales.
3. Margaret of Brotherton, died 1399, married John de Segrave, 4th
Lord Segrave, born about 1315, died 1353.
4. Elizabeth Segrave, born 1338, married in 1349 John de Mowbray, 4th
Lord Mowbray, died 1368.
5. Margaret Mowbray, living 1393, dead before 1401, married by license
dated 1 July 1369 (as above) Reginald Lucy, Knt., of Dallington, co.
Northampton, born about 1360, died 1437.
6. Walter Lucy, knt., of Dallington, co. Northampton, died 1444. He
married Eleanor l'Arcedeckne, born about 1383, died 1447.
7. Eleanor Lucy, dead before 1460, married Thomas Hopton, Knt., of
Staunton-on-Arrow, co. Hereford, and Hopton Castle, Salop, born about
1399, living 1445.
8. Elizabeth Hopton, born about 1427, died 1498, married about 1448
Roger Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1467.
9. Richard Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1493, married
Elizabeth Devereux.
10. Robert Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1513, married
Elizabeth Vernon.
11. Dorothy Corbet, married Richard Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield,
Salop, died 1558.
12. Arthur Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield, Salop, died 1590, married
Margaret Mainwaring.
13. Mary Mainwaring, married Richard Cotton, Esq., of Combermere, co.
Chester, died 1602.
14. Frances Cotton, married George Abell, Gent., of Hemington (in
Lockington), co. Leicester, died 1630.
15. Robert Abell, born about 1605, immigrant to New England.
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| Sources |
- [S579] Jim Weber.
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, VIII:261 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1160] FamilySearch Family Tree (http://www.familysearch.org), The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ((http://www.familysearch.org)), accessed 21 Nov 2022), entry for Reynold (Reginald) LUCY, person ID L4WF-BJD. (Reliability: 3).
- [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Douglas Richardson, 4 Oct 2001 (Reliability: 3).
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