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Carney & Wehofer Family
Genealogy Pages
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1338 - 1396 (58 years)
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Name |
Eleanor (Alianore) Le STRANGE [2, 3] |
Born |
1338 |
Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England |
Gender |
Female |
_UID |
9DA9E6E4D4EC4560B1682D8B3136BCF35CFB |
Died |
20 Apr 1396 [2] |
Person ID |
I13174 |
Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy |
Last Modified |
17 Apr 2024 |
Father |
John STRANGE, VI, b. 25 Jan 1305-1306, Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England , d. 21 Jul 1349, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England (Age 43 years) |
Mother |
Ankaret Le BOTELER, b. Abt 1306, Wem, Shropshire, England , d. 8 Oct 1361 (Age ~ 55 years) |
Married |
1st Husband 1St Wife [4] |
Family ID |
F6588 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
Family |
Sir Reginald DE GREY, b. 1323, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales , d. 4 Sep 1388 (Age 65 years) |
Married |
Bef 29 Nov 1360 |
Knockin, Oswestry, Shropshire, England [2] |
Children |
| 1. Aleanore DE GREY, b. 1358, d. Yes, date unknown |
| 2. Reginald DE GREY, b. 1362, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales , d. 18 Oct 1440, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales (Age 78 years) |
| 3. John DE GREY, b. 1364, d. Yes, date unknown |
| 4. Ida De GREY, b. Abt 1368, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales , d. 1 Jun 1426 (Age ~ 58 years) |
| 5. Edith DE GREY, b. 1368, d. Yes, date unknown |
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Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
Family ID |
F6682 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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Notes |
- Ancestral Roots states that Alianore's parents are Roger II 5th Baron le Strange of Knockyn and his wife Aline FitzAlan. The following post by Douglas Richardson to SGM, 8 Sep 2002, indicates different parents for Eleanor/Alianore:
From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: New Henry II descent for Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-08 09:06:15 PST
Dear Chris ~
The deposition dated 1408 cited by C.P. 14 sounds like good evidence to me for the identification of the parentage of Eleanor le Strange, wife of Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin. Eleanor died in 1396, so the deposition is almost contemporary with her lifetime. This correction would make Eleanor le Strange the daughter of John le Strange, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere (died 1349), by his wife, Ankaret le Boteler. If so, she would have the following all new descent from King Henry II as follows:
HENRY II, King of England, by a mistress, IDA _____.
WILLIAM LONGESP?E, Earl of Salisbury, married ELA OF SALISBURY.
IDA LONGESP?E, married WALTER FITZ ROBERT, Knt., Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
ELA FITZ WALTER, married WILLIAM DE ODDINGSELES, Knt., of Solihull, co. Warwick.
IDA DE ODDINGSELES, married ROGER DE HERDEBURGH, Knt., of Prilleston, Norfolk [see CLINTON 12].
ELA DE HERDEBURGH, married WILLIAM LE BOTELER, 1st Lord Boteler of Wem.
ANKARET LE BOTELER, married JOHN LE STRANGE, 2nd Lord Strange of Blackmere.
ELEANOR LE STRANGE, married Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin.
The above royal descent goes through the new Herdeburgh-Oddingseles connection, which matter was discussed in several posts this past year on the newsgroup.
The above arrangement assumes that Ida Longespee, wife of Walter Fitz Robert, was the second daughter of that name of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. To verify that this Ida Longespee belongs in that generation, this past week I checked the chronology of the family of William de Oddingseles, Knt., who married Ida Longespee's daughter, Ela Fitz Walter. My investigation indicates that William de Oddingseles was born say 1230/5, which date is entirely compatible with William's wife, Ela Fitz Walter, being a granddaughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, and his wife, Ela of Salisbury, as above. Research indicates that William de Oddingseles' father, William, Sr., and uncle, Gerard, both were of full age before 1239. William, Sr., and Gerard's parents, Hugh de Oddingseles and Basile de Limesey, in turn were evidently married about 1200. For my prior statement that there were two Ida Longespee's in the same generation, please see the archives.
Note: I have the Ida Longespee mentioned above as a daughter of William II de Longespee (William's son), based on a suggestion by Ancestral Roots. While not impossible, it is very unusualy to have two daughters named Ida by the same husband and wife.
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Sources |
- [S579] Jim Weber.
- [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 93a-31 (Reliability: 3).
- [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Douglas Richardson, 8 Sep 2002 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 2506 (Reliability: 3).
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