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 Abt 1397 - Aft 1478 (~ 81 years)
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| Name |
Katherine NEVILLE [3, 4] |
| Born |
Abt 1397 |
Raby Castle, Durham, England  [5] |
| Gender |
Female |
| FamilySearch ID |
L5XM-BHZ |
| _UID |
DC77D9CD08874B168F6BC60F72A153B8D63E |
| Died |
Aft Jan 1477-1478 [5] |
| Person ID |
I13355 |
Carney Wehofer Feb 2024 Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
12 Dec 2022 |
| Family 1 |
John De MOWBRAY, Kg, 2Nd Duke Of Norfolk, b. Abt 1392, Thetford, Norfolk, England , d. 19 Oct 1432, Epworth, Axholme, Lincolnshire, England (Age ~ 40 years) |
| Married |
12 Jan 1411-1412 |
1st Husband [4, 9] |
| Last Modified |
29 Aug 2016 |
| Family ID |
F6813 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 2 |
Thomas STRANGWAYS, Esq., b. 1395, Castle Harlsley, Yorkshire, England , d. 27 Jan 1442, Northallerton, Yorkshire, England (Age 47 years) |
| Married |
Bef 27 Jan 1440-1441 |
2ND Husband, 2ND Wife [3, 4] |
| Children |
| | 1. Joan STRANGEWAYS, b. Abt 1427, Harlsey Castle, Yorkshire, England , d. 24 Feb 1483 (Age ~ 56 years) |
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| Last Modified |
12 Dec 2022 |
| Family ID |
F6814 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- Katharine or Katherine Nevill(e); m. 1st 2nd Duke of Norfolk of the 1397 creation; m. 2nd before 27 Jan 1441/2 Sir Thomas Strangeways; m. 3rd after 1442, as his 2nd wife, 1st Viscount Beaumont; m. 4th just after 1464 Sir John Woodville, brother of Elizabeth, Queen Consort of Edward IV. [Burke's Peerage]
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He [John Beaumont] married 2ndly, after 1442, Katharine, widow of Sir Thomas STRANGWAYS, and before that of JOHN (DE MOWBRAY), DUKE OF NORFOLK) and daughter of Ralph (NEVILL), EARL OF WESTMORLAND, by his 2nd wife, Joan DE BEAUFORT, daughter of John of Gaunt, DUKE OF LANCASTER. He died 10 July 1460, being slain under the Lancastrian banner, at the battle of Northampton. His widow married, 4thly, shortly after 1464, Sir John WIDVILLE) who was beheaded (with his father, EARL RIVERS) at Kenilworth) 12 August 1469. [Complete Peerage II:62, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: Talk about an age difference. Katherine was probably 40 years or more older than her 4th husband! It makes you wonder whether John Wydeville was a brother of Richard Wydeville, 1st Earl Rivers, rather than his son.
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The following excerpt from a post to SGM, 16 Oct 2001, by Henry Sutliff, supports the "May-Dec" marriage of Katherine & John Wydeville:
"Also, let's all not put an undue amount of emphasis on the Royal Descents. I cannot think of any family that made a greater effort at making political marriages than the Wydevilles. The suggestion that everything was based on Royal Descents rather than political strategy is not correct. Both were considerations. I regret not having my notes handy, but Elizabeth Wydeville's brother John was married to Katherine Neville, Dowager Duchess of Norfolk and thrice widowed. John Wydeville was more than 40 years her junior. This marriage had nothing to do with Royal Descents, but everything to do with politics, alliance and money."
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I used to mistakenly state "40 years or more younger" in the note above, but thanks to Pomala Black, [email protected] for correcting me in the following post-em:
Wasn't Katherine 40 years plus OLDER than her 4th husband rather than younger? Maybe this marriage is recorded between the wrong people.
Pomala Black
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- [S579] Jim Weber.
- [SAuth] Jim Carney, compiled by James H Carney [(E-ADDRESS), & MAILING ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE], Buderim, Queensland 4556 AUSTRALIA.
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 15 (Reliability: 3).
- [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, II:62 (Reliability: 3).
- [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Ed Mann, 8 Oct 1988 (Reliability: 3).
- [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 2-32 (Reliability: 3).
- [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 45-7 (Reliability: 3).
- [S138] The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 3 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 2026 (Reliability: 3).
- [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 228 (Reliability: 3).
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