John 4Th Baron Le STRANGE, Of Blackmere, Sir

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John Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of a new creation by writ of summons 3 April 1360, JP (Salop 1360); Lady Mary FitzAlan (died 29 Aug 1396), daughter of 10th/3rd Earl of Arundel, and died 12 May 1361. [Burke's Peerage]

Note John's elder brother Fulk was 3rd Baron of their father's creation. He dspm 30 Aug 1349, and technically his barony went into abeyance. Thus John was 1st Baron of a new creation, but I am still calling him 4th Baron.

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John Lestraunge [sic.], born c Easter 1322, died 12 May 1361, MP 1360, 4th Lord Strange of Blackmere. [Magna Charta Sureties]

John married Mary (Isabel) FITZALAN in 1352 in England. Mary (daughter of Richard "Copped Hat" FITZALAN and Isabel LE DESPENCER) was born about 1323 in Corfham, Shropshire, England; died on 29 Aug 1396. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: MYDN-HHR
• Title (Nobility): ; 7th Baroness of Blackmere
• Title (Nobility): ; Countess of Shrewsbury
• Name: Anghared
• Name: Matilda
• Name: Maud
• _UID: 5CFDFCDF64924CB49BD2D15C99460B87350B
• Alt. Death: 1 Jun 1413, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

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Ankaret (married 2nd as his 2nd wife Thomas Nevill(e), 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e)/Nevill of Halumshire, and died 1 June 1413), sister and eventually sole heiress of John, 5th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), thus becoming according to later doctrine Baroness Strange (of Blackmere) in her own right. [Burke's Peerage]

Ankaret, daughter and eventual heir of 1st Lord (Baron) Strange or Lestrange of the 1360 creation and widow of Lord (Baron) Talbot (of Blackmere). [Burke's Peerage, p. 14]

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Ankaret Lestrange, b. 1361 (age 22 in Aug 1383), d. 1 June 1413; m. (1) bef. 23 Aug 1383, Sir Richard Talbot. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He [Richard Talbot] married, before 23 August 1381 Ankaret, suo jure, according to modern doctrine, BARONESS STRANGE (of Blackmere), only daughter (who on 23 August 1383 became sole heir) of John (LESTRANGE), IV LORD STRANGE (of Blackmere), by Mary, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), EARL OF ARUNDEL. He died 8 or 9 September 1396 in London, aged about 35. His widow, who was aged 22 in 1383, married, as his 2nd wife, between 8 March and 4 July 1401, Thomas (NEVILLE), LORD FURNIVALLE, who died s.p.m., 14 March 1406/7. She died 1 June 1413, aged about 52. [Complete Peerage XII/1:616-17, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Ankaret's mother, Mary, was the daughter of Edmund, the 9th earl of Arundel, not Richard, the 10th earl (see Arundel, vol.1, p.244, note b). [Some Correction and Additions to the Complete Peerage]

Ankaret married Sir Richard TALBOT, VI in 1381 in Herefordshire, England. Richard (son of Gilbert TALBOT, 3rd Lord Talbot of Ecclesfield and Petronilla Pernel BUTLER) was born about 1361 in Goodrich Castle, Eccleswall, Herefordshire, England; died between 7 and 9 Sep 1396 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Ankaret married Thomas NEVILLE, 5th Baron Furnival, Of Hallam in 1401 in England, United Kingdom. Thomas (son of Sir John NEVILLE, 3rd Baron Neville de Raby and Maud DE PERCY) was born before 1362 in Raby Castle, Durham, England; died between 14 Mar 1406 and 1407 in Hallamshire, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England (Dspm); was buried in Worksop Priory, Nottinghamshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Mary Talbot, d. 13 Apr 1433; m. Sir Thomas Greene, Knight, of Greene's Norton, co. Northampton, d. 14 Dec 1417, sheriff of Northamptonshire 1416. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Family/Spouse: Thomas GREENE, Sheriff Of Northampton, Sir Knt. Thomas was born in 1369 in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England; died on 14 Dec 1417. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LBXX-N35
• MilitaryService: ; General in the Hundred years War
• Name: John TALBOT
• Name: Old TALBOT
• _UID: E5D4D584D5024C6BB67F0D723D57FB9F8222
• Title (Nobility): 26 Oct 1409; 6th Baron Furnivalle

Notes:

Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (technically the Earldom was designated as being of "Salop" or "Shropshire" but ever afterwards, indeed in the grantee's lifetime, its bearers have been known as Earls of "Shrewsbury") and the 1st Earl of Waterford, so created 20 May 1442 and 17 July 1446 (when also made Hereditary Steward of Ireland) respectively, though called to Parliament 26 Oct 1409 by writs made out to Lord (Baron) de Furnyvall/de Halomshire in right of his 1st wife during her lifetime and as Lord (Baron) Talbot of Hallamshire) afterwards, also according to later doctrine 7th Lord (Baron) Talbot and 7th or 10th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere) on his niece Ankaret's death 1421, KG (1424), JP (Derbys Feb 1407/8, Salop & Staffs March 1409/10); b. c 1384; King's Esquire 1407; knighted by 1413, King's Lieutenant in Ireland Feb 1413/4 and March 1444/5, Justiciar of Ireland Jan-April 1425, campaigned Hundred Years War: Battle of Verneuil 1424, took Laval March 1427/8, also Nogent-le-Roi and was at Siege of Orleans 1428-29, commander at Battle of Patay June 1429 (captured but subsequently ransomed), took Patay 1433, Joigny 1434, Beaumont-su-Oise May 1434, Creil June 1434 and Clermont, created by Henry VI Count of Clermont end Beauvoisis (part of a policy pursued by Henrys V and VI of making their chief commanders nobles in English-occupied France with French fiefs), present at Siege of Saint-Denis Sep 1435, retook Pays de Caux 1436/7, held Le Croty 1437, Marshal of France by 6 April 1437, took Longueville 1438, reinforced Mezux 1439 and Pontoise several times, destroyed Poissy 1441, conducted Siege of Dieppe 1442, Keeper of Porchester Castle and Governor of Portsmouth Feb 1451/2, Lieutenant of Aquitaine 1452, retook Bordeaux Oct 1452 took Fronsac March 1452/3, finally killed with his 4th son (3rd here noticed) at the rout of Castillon (the last battle of the Hundred Years War) 17 July 1453;

married 1st by 12 May 1406/7 Maud, Baroness Furnivall(e) in her own right according to later doctrine (d. c 1423), daughter and heiress of Thomas Neville, 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e) in right of his 1st wife, and had issue. The 1st Earl married 2nd 6 Sep 1425 Lady Margaret Beauchamp (died 14 June 1467), eldest daughter and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick by his 1st wife Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley of the 1295 creation, and deemed by later doctrine to have been Baroness Berkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death, they would have fallen into abeyance between her three daughter and coheirs even by the same later doctrine. [Burke's Peerage]

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Sir John Talbot, KG, b. c 1384, slain at Castillon 17 July 1453, Earl of Shrewsbury; m. (1) 1406/7 Maud de Neville, Lady Furnivall, b. c 1392, d. c 1423, daughter of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnivall, by his wife, Joan Furinvall, Lady Furnivall. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY of TALBOT (VII)

BARONY of FURNIVALLE (IV, 1)

EARLDOM of WATERFORD (I)

EARLDOM of SHREWSBURY (IV, 1)

John (Talbot), Lord Talbot, Lord Furnivalle (of Blackmere), 2nd son of Richard (Talbot), Lord Talbot, by Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Strange (of Blackmere), daughter and eventually heir of Sir John Lestraunge, Lord Lestraunge or Lord Strange (of Blackmere), of Whitchurch, Salop, b. about 1384; by his 1st marriage, before 5 Apr 1407, with Maud, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, he acquired the great family estates of the family of Furnivalle in Hallamshire, of which the castle of Sheffield was the caput, and, in consequence thereof, he was summoned to Parliament as Lord Furnivalle or Lord Talbot (of Hallamshire), from 26 Oct 1409 to 26 Feb 1420 by writs directed to Johanni Talbot, with the additions: domino de Furnyvall, or de Halomshire. He witnessed, as Johannes, Dominus de Farnevale, the agreement between Henry, Prince of Wales, and Rees ap Llewelyn, for the surrender of Aberystwyth, 12 Sep 1407. He was King's Esquire, bef. 25 Apr 1407, when he was granted the keeping of the castle and lordship of Montgomery during the minority of Edmund, Earl of March; on the Commission of the Peace, Derbyshire, 7 Feb 1407/8; Salop and Staffordshire, 14 Mar 1409/10; knighted bef. 15 July 1413; committed to the Tower, 16 Nov 1413 (a); Commissioner to arrest and imprison Lollards, 11 Jan 1413/4; Commissioner to enforce the Statute of Leicester against the Lollards, 28 July 1414. He was appointed King's Lieuteneant of Ireland for 6 years, with power to nominate a Deputy, 24 Feb 1413/4, being sworn in 13 Nov. He left Ireland, 7 Feb 1415/6, was present at the reception of Sigismund, King of the Romans (afterwards Emperor), at Dover, May 1416, returned to Ireland, Apr 1418, but left again, July 1419. By the death, 13 Dec 1421, of his niece Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Talbot, and the consequent failure of the issue of his elder brother Gilbert, Lord Talbot, etc, he became Lord Talbot (1331) and Lord Strange (of Blackmere) (1308). He was also, by inheritance from his great-grandmother, Elizabeth, wife of Richard, 2nd Lord Talbot, lord of the honor of Wexford, in Ireland.

He was with Henry VI at Windsor, 28 Sep 1422; ordered to prevent riots on the Welsh marches, 3 Oct 1422; nominated KG, 6 May 1424; Justiciar of Ireland Jan-Apr 1425. He was at the battle of Verneuil, 17 Aug 1424; Capt. of Coutances and Pont de l'Arche, 1 Jan 1427/8; took Laval 13 Mar 1427/8, Capt. of Falaise, 8 Nov 1428; took part in the capture of Nogent-le-Roi, and the siege of Orleans, 1428-9. He was one of the commanders at the battle of Patay, 18 June 1429, where he fought on foot with archers and was taken prisoner. He was exchanged for Poton de Xaintrailles, July 1433, and joined the Duke of Burgundy in his campaign, when Patay was taken, July 1433. In 1434, after a visit to England, he returned in command of 800 men and, after capturing Joigny on his way to Paris, took Beaumont-sur-Oise in May, Creil in June and Clermont, when Henry VI created him Count of Clermont en Beauvoisis. He was at the siege of Saint-Denis in Sep 1435; recovered the Pays de Caux 1436; defeated la Hire at Ris near Rouen, end of 1436; captured Ivry and surprised Pontoise, Jan-Feb 1436/7; saved Le Crotoy from the Duke of Burgundy, 1437; Marshal of France, bef. 6 Apr 1437; captured Longueville and other castles in the Pays de Caux 1438; revictualled Meaux 1439; at the siege and capture of Harfleur, and was made Capt. of the town, 1440; granted a pension of 300 gold salus a quarter, 3 Dec 1440; revictualled Pontoise several times and sacked Poissy 1441; Lord of Grasville-Sainte-Honorine bef. 1442; besieged Dieppe 1442. For his services he was created, 20 May 1442, Earl of Salop, in tail male; but he and his successors have alway been known as Earls of Shrewsbury. He had a licence for good service in France to absent himself from Ireland for 10 years and to receive all rents from his possessions in Wexford and elsewhere, 16 Mar 1442/3; granted for life 60 marks per annum at the Exchequer and 40 marks per annum from the petty custom in the port of London, 2 Mar 1443/4; godfather fo Elizabeth of York, Rouen, 22 Sep 1444; one of the Lords who welcomed Margaret of Anjou at Rouen, 22 Mar 1444/5; received outside London, Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Vendome, and the other French Ambassadors, 16 July 1445. He was reappointed King's Leiutenant of Ireland for 7 years, 12 Mar 1444/5, and was created 17 July 1446, Earl of Waterford [I], and made Hereditary Steward of Ireland. In 1447 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Charles VII, 18 Aug 1448; one of the hostages for the surrender of Rouen, which he had bravely defended, Oct 1449. At the surrender of Falaise, 20 July 1450, he was held quit of everything in which he could be bound under the agreement made at Rouen, provided that he went to Rome, from which city he returned to England, Dec 1450.

Commissioner for the subsidy, London and Middlesex, 23 Jan 1450/1; Surrey and Sussex, Southampton and Wilts, 20 May 1451; Wales, 30 July 1452; Keeper of the Castle and Town of Porchester and Gov. of Portsmouth (for life), 17 Feb 1451/2. He was appointed to command the Army on the sea, Mar 1451/2, having been with the King at Canterbury on Candlemas Day, and Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 1 Sep 1452. After landing in the Medoc in Oct, he recovered Bordeaux, 23 Oct, and most of the Bordelais; captured Fronsac, Mar 1452/3. He attempted to relieve Castillon on the Dordogne, but in an attack on the French entrenched camp, he was slain, together with his son John, Lord Lisle, 17 July 1453.

He m. 1stly, bef. 12 Mar 1406/7, Maud, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, elder daughter of Thomas (Neville), Lord Furnivalle, and only child and heir of (his 1st wife) Joan, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, only daughter and heir of William (de Furnivalle), Lrod Furnivalle. She, who was b. c 1392 sat at Queen Katherine's Coronation banquet in Westminster Hall, 21 Feb 1420/1. She d. about 1423 and was buried in Worksop Priory, Notts. He m. 2ndly, 6 Sep 1425, at Warwick Castle, Margaret, 1st daughter of Richard (Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, to whom she was coheir, Elizabeth, only child and heir of Thomas (Berkeley), Lord Berkeley, which Elizabeth was, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Lisle and Baroness Berkeley. He d. as stated above, 17 July 1453, and was buried at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop, M.I. Will dated 1 Sep 1452, at Portsmouth, probated 18 Jan 1453/4. Writs of diem cl. extr. 10 Sep, 24 Oct, and 28 Oct 1453. His widow, who was b. in 1404, d. 14 June 1467, and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St. Paul's. [Complete Peerage XI:698-704]

(a) At the same date he and his elder brother Gilbert entered into recognisances for 4,000 marks each, to be levied in Salop, to be of good behaviour. It has been suggested that his imprisonment may have been connected with the rising of Sir John Oldcastle, but his appointment as a Commissioner to arrest Lollards and to enforce the Statute of Leicester makes this improbable. He may have been committed to the Tower and subsequently appointed Lieutenant of Ireland to stop a feud between him and the Earl of Arundel arising from a dispute about some land in Shropshire. On the day on which he was committed to the Tower, Arundel entered into a recognisance for 10,000 marks to be of good behaviour, and Edmund, Earl of March, John, Earl Marshal, and Sir William de Roos entered into like cognisances for Arundel's good behaviour.

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From: Douglas Richardson ([email protected])
Subject: CP Correction: Marriage of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, and Maud Neville
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-05-16 10:09:58 PST


Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 11 (1949): 702 (sub Shrewsbury) states that John Talbot (died 1453), 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, married as his first wife before 12 March 1406/7 Maud Neville, elder daughter of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival. No source is provided for the date of this marriage, which is a rather unusual oversight for Complete Peerage.

I've recently encountered a London record which indicates that John and Maud Talbot were actually married before 8 March 1406[/7]. On this date they were suing John Penros regarding their free tenement in the parish of St. Andrew Holborne [Reference: A.H. Thomas, Select Pleas and Memoranda of the City of London, A.D. 1381-1412, published 1932, pg. 279].

Maud (Neville) Talbot inherited this tenement from her grandfather, William Furnival, who in turn acquired the tenement in 1350 [see Husting Roll, 104 (76) (77) 149) (150)]. According to the editor, Mr. Thomas, the tenement was known as "Fournyvalles Inne" and consisted of 2 messuages and 13 shops. Maud's father, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, was suing Maud's widowed grandmother, Thomasine Furnival, for the same tenement the previous year (see Thomas, ibid., pg. 276).

John Talbot and Maud Neville are in the ancestry of two New World immigrants as follows:

1. Robert Abell

2. Grace Chetwode

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: [email protected]

John married Maude De NEVILLE, 6th Baroness Furnival before 8 Mar 1406-1407 in England. Maude (daughter of Thomas NEVILLE, 5th Baron Furnival, Of Hallam and Joan FURNIVAL) was born on 21 Dec 1392 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; died on 31 May 1423 in Priory, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England; was buried on 22 Dec 1423 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

John married Margaret BEAUCHAMP, Baroness Lisle on 6 Sep 1425 in Warwick Castle, Warwick, Warwickshire, England. Margaret (daughter of Richard De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick and Elizabeth De BERKELEY, Ctss Warwick) was born in 1404 in Goodrest In Wedgnock Park, Warwickshire, England; died on 14 Jun 1467 in Jesus Chapel, St Paul's, London, England; was buried in Jun 1467. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 68BC6A97E6794A1D99E787F6FA4552DB5426

Family/Spouse: Thomas De LA BARRE, Sir Knight. Thomas was born about 1387 in Glamorgan, Glamorganshire, Wales; died in 1441 in Glamorgan, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: D6D811241FF24C5F938C3D77CBB8B48C3568

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Sir Thomas Greene, of Greene's Norton, born Norton 10 Feb 1399/1400, died 18 Jan 1461/2, Sheriff of Northamptonshire 1454; married (1) Philippa de Ferrers, died 3 Nov 1415. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Thomas married Philippa De FERRERS in 1st Wife. Philippa (daughter of Robert 5Th Baron De FERRERS, Of Chartley, Sir and Margaret Le DESPENSER) was born about 1393 in Chartley Castle, Staffordshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1415 in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England; was buried on 5 Nov 1415 in Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Death: ; Battle of Northhampton
• Earl of Shrewsbury: , Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
• FamilySearch ID: L1SH-R74
• LifeSketch: ; SIR JOHN TALBOT 2nd EARL OF SHREWBURY KNIGHTwas born 12 December 1413, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, to General John Talbot Earl (1387-1453) and Baroness Maud Neville (1391-1423.) He married Lady Elizabeth Butler before 1445, Astley, Warwickshire, Eng
• _UID: 6EC16F83B72E4A1B9E0A68197DA708E6A64F

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Sir John Talbot, KG, b. 1413, d. 10 July 1460, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, Lord Treasurer of England; m. c 1444-48, Elizabeth Butler, b. 1420, d. 8 Sep 1473. [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Marriage date is off--doesn't agree with 7-34, which is on the opposite page, nor with CP.

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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (V, 2)

JOHN (TALBOT), EARL OF SHREWSBURY, LORD TALBOT, &c., also EARL OF WATERFORD [IRL], 1st son and heir by 1st wife; born about 1413; K.B. 19 May 1426, at Leicester; served in France 1434 and 1442; on the Commission of the Peace, co. Derby, 23 November 1441; co. York (West Riding) 16 March 1441/ 2; Herts, 18 May 1443; Notts, 27 November 1443; King's Knight, before 27 May 1443; Chancellor of Ireland, 12 August 1446; Commissioner to treat for a loan to maintain the war, cos. Derby, Notts, Salop, 25 September 1449; Commissioner of Oyer and Terminer, Kent, 2 February 1449/50; P.C. before 21 November 1453; one of the Lords who undertook to keep the sea for 3 years, April 1454; Commissioner to raise money for the defence of Calais, 14 May 1455; summoned to Parliament 26 May 1455 to 26 May 1458; joint Farmer of the subsidy and alnage of cloths, co. and city of York and Kingston upon Hull, 5 August 1455. He was Treasurer of England 5 October 1456 till October 1458; nominated K.G. before 13 May, installed 14 May 1457; joint Keeper of the King's mews and falcons, 20 October 1457; Chief Butler for life, 6 May 1458; Chief justice of Chester, 24 February 1458/9; Steward of Wakefield 1459; Steward of Ludlow, 20 June 1460.

He married, before March 1444/5, Elizabeth, daughter of James (BUTLER), 4th EARL OF ORMOND [IRL], by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of William (BEAUCHAMP), LORD ABERGAVENNY. He died 10 July 1460, being slain (with his brother Sir Christopher Talbot) at the battle of Northampton, fighting on the Lancastrian side, and was buried (with his mother) in Worksop Priory. M.I. His widow appears to have intended to take the veil after his death, but she had a Royal licence to marry whom she pleased without impeachment or hindrance, 6 February 1463/4. She died 8 and was buried 11 September 1473, in Shrewsbury Abbey. M.I. [Complete Peerage XI:704-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

John married Lady Elizabeth BUTLER before Mar 1445 in , Ormond, Leinster, Ireland. Elizabeth (daughter of James IV Le BUTLER, Earl Of Ormund and Joan BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Ormond) was born on 21 Dec 1421 in Kilkenny Castle, Kildare, Leinster, Ireland; died on 8 Sep 1473 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England; was buried on 11 Sep 1473 in Abbey, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Katherine married Nicholas De EYTON in 1436 in England. Nicholas (son of George De EATON and Jane BRERETON) was born about 1409 in Eyton On The Weald Moors, Shropshire, England; died in 1470 in Eyton upon the Weald Moors, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: C07D18165988431B892F699C8C5FF04183D7

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Joan, daughter of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, by Maud, daughter of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnivale. Joan married (2) May 1474 Edmund Hungerford. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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He [James de Berkeley] married, 4thly, (Settlment 25 July 1457) Joan, daughter of John (TALBOT), 1st EARL OF SHREWSBURY, by his 1st wife, Maud, elder daughter and heir of Thomas (NEVILL), LORD FURNIVAL, which Joan was consequently stepdaughter of Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury abovenamed. He died at Berkeley Castle, Nov 1463, within 36 days of having (22 Oct.) executed a deed of reconciliation with the said Countess and was buried at Berkeley. His widow married, before 26 May 1474, Edmund Hungerford. [Complete Peerage II:132-3, XIV:87, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Joan; married c 25 July 1457, as his 3rd or 4th wife, 1st Lord (Baron) Berkeley; married 2nd 1487 Edmund Hungerford. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: Burke's Peerage indicates that Joan is daughter of John Talbot by Margaret Beauchamp, his 2nd wife. This differs from MCS & CP, which have her mother Maud Neville, his 1st wife and names Margaret Beauchamp as her step-mother. Her birth date is close to Maud's death and Margaret's marriage date. Could be either one.

Note: I have no idea (and neither does anyone else I have seen) who Edmund Hungerford is, that Joan supposedly married in 1474 or 1487.

Died:
(SPS) Sine Prole Supersite (Died without surviving issue)

Joan married James "The Just" 1St Baron De BERKELEY, Sir on 25 Jul 1457 in <, Axholme, Lincoln, England>. James was born about 1394 in Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales; died in Nov 1463 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England; was buried in St Mary's Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Gilbert married about 1459 in <, Grafton, Worcester, England>. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Gilbert married on 20 Dec 1483 in , Whitechurch, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Gilbert married about 1491 in , Grafton, Worcester, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Gilbert married in 1500 in England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• _UID: 02DC874C9145447F8387B0DC4D0C0464A11D

John married about 1445 in <, Astley, Warwick, England>. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Duchess of Norfolk: , , Norfolkshire, England
• Reference Number: HWS46476
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Margaret married before 27 Nov 1448 in <, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England>. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Elizabeth married Edmund CORNWALL, Master Of Burford in Weobley, Herefordshire, England. Edmund was born about 1382 in Burford, Shropshire, England; died in 1435 in Cologne, Germany (Dvp). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]