Geoffrey DE LUCY

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• FamilySearch ID: LDSQ-Q3P

Family/Spouse: Katherine GREY. Katherine was born in 1335 in Herefordshire, England; died in 1400. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L4WF-BJD
• Title (Nobility): ; Sir Knight
• _UID: 2C507EE6B1FC47C2ACEEBCB5C2E809A1F500

Notes:

REYNOLD LUCY, son and heir, was aged 40 and more at his father's death, and a knight already in 1387. He married, before February 1378/9, Margaret, whose parentage is not known. He died 9 November 1437. [Complete Peerage VIII:261, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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From soc.genealogy.medieval:

Dear Newsgroup ~

The immigrants Robert Abell, Richard More of the Mayflower and Rev. John Oxenbridge are lineal descendants of Reginald Lucy, died 1437, of Dallington, co. Northampton, and his wife, Margaret. Until now, Margaret Lucy's identity and parentage have been unknown. However, recently I came across this couple's marriage license in an obscure episcopal register:

"Kal. Jul. [1 July] 1369. At Heywod. To Reginald de Lucy, son of Sir Geoffrey de Lucy, and Margaret, daughter of Sir John de Moubrey, to be married in the chapel within Bretteby [Bretby] Castle [co. Derby]" [Reference: Lichfield Episcopal Registers, Register of [Bishop] Robert de Stretton, published in William Salt Archaeological Society, n.s., 8 (1905): 47].

As indicated by the license quoted above, the bride's name was Margaret Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray. Due to the name, chronology and place of marriage, Margaret Mowbray can be readily identified as a hitherto unknown daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, 4th Lord Segrave, of Bretby Castle, co. Derby.

In this case, the place of marriage is significant as Bretby Castle was one of the holdings of the Segrave family and fell to Mowbray family on the marriage of Elizabeth Segrave to John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray. This was presumably one of the Segrave family's principal residences, as Elizabeth's father, John de Segrave, prepared his will in 1352 at Bretby [Reference: Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 609]. I assume this license was missed by Lucy and Mowbray researchers as the Lucy family was seated principally at Northampton, whereas the Mowbray family's chief holdings were in cos. Lincoln and York. One would not expect to look in Derbyshire for a marriage license for this couple.

The newly discovered Margaret Mowbray gives the immigrants, Robert Abell, Richard More and John Oxenbridge an all new descent from King Edward I plus many other interesting connections. For newsgroup interest, I have prepared the descent down to Robert Abell. For fuller particulars of the Lucy and allied families, please see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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1. Edward I, King of England, married Margaret of France.

2. Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, died 1338, married Alice de
Hales.

3. Margaret of Brotherton, died 1399, married John de Segrave, 4th
Lord Segrave, born about 1315, died 1353.

4. Elizabeth Segrave, born 1338, married in 1349 John de Mowbray, 4th
Lord Mowbray, died 1368.

5. Margaret Mowbray, living 1393, dead before 1401, married by license
dated 1 July 1369 (as above) Reginald Lucy, Knt., of Dallington, co.
Northampton, born about 1360, died 1437.

6. Walter Lucy, knt., of Dallington, co. Northampton, died 1444. He
married Eleanor l'Arcedeckne, born about 1383, died 1447.

7. Eleanor Lucy, dead before 1460, married Thomas Hopton, Knt., of
Staunton-on-Arrow, co. Hereford, and Hopton Castle, Salop, born about
1399, living 1445.

8. Elizabeth Hopton, born about 1427, died 1498, married about 1448
Roger Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1467.

9. Richard Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1493, married
Elizabeth Devereux.

10. Robert Corbet, Knt., of Moreton Corbet, Salop, died 1513, married
Elizabeth Vernon.

11. Dorothy Corbet, married Richard Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield,
Salop, died 1558.

12. Arthur Mainwaring, Knt., of Ightfield, Salop, died 1590, married
Margaret Mainwaring.

13. Mary Mainwaring, married Richard Cotton, Esq., of Combermere, co.
Chester, died 1602.

14. Frances Cotton, married George Abell, Gent., of Hemington (in
Lockington), co. Leicester, died 1630.

15. Robert Abell, born about 1605, immigrant to New England.

Reynold married Margaret De MOWBRAY on 1 Jul 1369 in Bretby Castle, Derbyshire, England. Margaret (daughter of John de MOWBRAY and Elizabeth De SEGRAVE) was born about 1362 in Epworth, Isle Of Axholme, Lincolnshire, England; died before 1401. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: GQ1H-C87
• _UID: 74C9509FAFBE43779E17CF1FF05E24238BF0

Notes:

WALTER LUCY, son and heir, was aged 40 and (much] more when he succeeded his father. His marriage made him a landowner in the West of England; as early as 1415 he was a commissioner in the marches of Wales, and later justice of the peace, and commisioner on several occasions in Hereford, Salop, and Worcs. In 1416 he was a knight, though it was as plain Walter Lucy, of Richard's Castle, that he had protection on going to the French war, January 1419/20, in the company of the Earl of March.

He married, in or before May 1385, Eleanor, elder daughter and coheir of Sir Warin ARCEDEKNE, by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John TALBOT, of Richard's Castle. He died 4 October 1444. His widow died 20 July 1447. [Complete Peerage VIII:261-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Walter married Eleanor L' ARCEDEKNE before May 1385 in Cornwall, England. Eleanor was born in 1383 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England; died on 20 Jul 1447. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LCPP-Q9H
• LifeSketch: ; SIR THOMAS HOPTON, KNIGHT was born about 1399 of Hopton, Suffolk, England, to unknown parents. He married Eleanor Lucy about 1433 of Hopton, Suffolk, England.
• _UID: B8BF843FDA304DFB9C2395591492DDD18DDA
• Alt. Death: 22 Jun 1460, Worcester, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom

Eleanor married Thomas HOPTON in 1425 in Hopton Castle, Shropshire, England. Thomas (son of Thomas DE HOPTON, I and Joanne DE MORTIMER) was born about 1399 in Hopton Castle, Shropshire, England; died in 1445 in Hopton Castle, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LH6P-XNS
• _UID: 4988C04523574EA49B423CC227625A5A5A62

Notes:

Maud, sister and coheir of Sir William Lucy. [Burke's Peerage]

Family/Spouse: William VAUX, Sheriff Of Northampton, Sir. William was born about 1410 in Harrowden, Northamptonshire, England; died on 10 Dec 1460. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]