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Catherine MOLEYNS

Catherine MOLEYNS[1]

Female Bef 1425 - 1465  (~ 40 years)

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  • Name Catherine MOLEYNS  [2, 3, 4, 5
    Born Bef 1425  Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Gender Female 
    FamilySearch ID L526-3Z2 
    _UID BB84105F01E74669B7EC3806718F327FD773 
    Died 3 Nov 1465  Stoke-By-Nayland, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3
    Person ID I13240  Carney Wehofer 2024 Genealogy
    Last Modified 14 Dec 2022 

    Married Y  [6
    Family ID F12959  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family John HOWARD, Kg, 1St Duke Of Norfolk,   b. 1422, Babergh, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 22 Aug 1485, Battle Of Bosworth Field, Leicestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 63 years) 
    Married Aug 1441  Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3
    Children 
     1. Isabel HOWARD,   b. Abt 1442, Tendring, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 7 Jul 1505, Great Ashfield, Stow, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 63 years)
     2. Lady Margaret HOWARD,   b. Abt 1442, Wiggenhall St Mary the Virgin, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1484, Felbrigg, , Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 42 years)
     3. Thomas HOWARD, 2nd Duke Of Norfolk,   b. 1443, Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 May 1524, Framingham Castle, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)
     4. John HOWARD, 3rd Duke of Mowbray,   b. 1444, Coningsby, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 May 1524  (Age 80 years)
     5. Nicholas HOWARD,   b. 1445, Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1468, Farlingham Castle, Farlingham, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 23 years)
     6. Agnes HOWARD,   b. Abt 1446, Tendring, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     7. Anne HOWARD,   b. Abt 1446, Tendring, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1500, Wraxall, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 53 years)
    Last Modified 14 Dec 2022 
    Family ID F6733  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • Katherine (died 1465), daughter of Sir William de Moleyns. [Burke's Peerage]

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      Catherine Moleyns, d. 3 Nov 1465, daughter of Sir William Moleyns of Stoke Poges, co. Buckingham. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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      The Complete Peerage states that Catherine's father is the William Moleyns who died in 1425 (married to Margery). Yet Leo van de Pas, citing "Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fuertliche Haeuser 1964, p. 500", has Katherine's father as the William who died in 1429, being the son of the William who died in 1425. Ancestral Roots, Magna Charta Sureties, and Burke's Peerage are ambiguous on the subject, merely stating that she is daughter of William Moleyns. Still another source, Gerald Paget's book on ancestors of Prince Charles, as well as a suggestion in CP IX:41 note "n", indicates that Margery, wife of William senior, was Margery Whalesborough (this is the way that I originally had my line). Catherine's birth date would allow her to be daughter of either, though, if daughter of William senior, she would have been 20 years younger than her brother William junior.

      It doesn't seem likely that both Margery and Anne were daughters of John Whalesborough, since William junior would be marrying his mother's sister. Anne, who was heir of John Whalesborough, seems to have definite proof of being wife of William junior, therefore putting doubt as to William senior marrying Margery Whalesborough. The suggestion of a Whalesborough family background in Catherine's heritage seems to tilt in favour of her parents being William & Anne Whalesborough.

  • Sources 
    1. [S579] Jim Weber.

    2. [S845] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 22-34 (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S25] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 63-9 (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S289] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles M o s l e y Editor-in-Chief, 1999, 26 May 2003., 2091 (Reliability: 3).

    5. [S44] Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Leo van de Pas, 13 Feb 2003 (Reliability: 3).

    6. [S63] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, IX:42 (Reliability: 3).