Jehan "Hans" VERLI, Verly, Werli b. 31 Aug 1666 Rothau, Bas-Rhin, France Alsace Lorraine, France: Our Family History

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Name	Jehan "Hans" VERLI
Suffix	Verly, Werli
Nickname	Hans
Birth	31 Aug 1666	Rothau, Bas-Rhin, France
Gender	Male
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_FSLINK	https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G1KL-BQ5
_UID	AF3B7E15DE244833A65CB288D3CD1BA596FF
Death	Alsace Lorraine, France
Person ID	I594783695	Carney Wehofer July 2025
Last Modified	18 Dec 2024

Father	Benedict VERLI, b. Bef 1646, France d. Yes, date unknown
Mother	Anne RETTEMOND, b. Bef 1647, France d. 1685, Indre, Loire-Inférieure, France (Age ~ 38 years)
Family ID	F536733635	Group Sheet \| Family Chart

Family Marguerite NEUVILLERS, b. 14 Jul 1661, Bellefosse, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France d. 18 Mar 1708, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France (Age 46 years)

Marriage Abt 1690 Wetterbach, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France

Children

	1. Didier VERLY, b. Abt 1690, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France d. Yes, date unknown
	2. Otille (Oudille) VERLEY (WERLI), b. 1 Apr 1691, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France d. Aft 1738, Lancaster, Pennsylvania (Age 47 years)
	3. Christopher VERLEY (WERLI), b. 29 Jul 1695, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France d. 22 Oct 1701, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France (Age 6 years)
	4. Dietrich VERLEY (WERLI), b. 29 Jul 1695, France d. 1750, York, Pennslyvania (Age 54 years)
	5. "Anna" Marie Salome WERLEY (WERLI), b. 28 Oct 1704, Steinthal District, Alsace, France/Switzerland d. Sep 1748, Codorus Township, York, Pennsylvania, British Colonial America (Age 43 years)
	6. Jean VERLY OR WEHRLI, b. 17 May 1707, Belmont, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France d. 26 May 1707, Belmont, Molsheim, Bas-Rhin, France (Age 0 years)

Family ID F14070 Group Sheet | Family Chart

Last Modified 8 Dec 2024

Notes

Biography

Using the best preponderance of extensive research evidence, we present Jehan "Hans" Verli (Verly, Werli, Wehrli)

Born: 31 Aug 1666 Rothau, Bas-Rhin, France[1] Baptised: 31 Aug 1666 Rothau, Bas-Rhin, France[2] Baptismal Sponsors: Elie Roub; Niclaus Schneider; Barbara Johne[3]

His parents are purported to be Benedict Verli (Veolin - misspelled) and Anne Rettemond.

He married Marguerite Neuviller in about 1690 and together they had 6 children; Diddier born about 1690, Oudille "Otille" born 1691, Christopher born 1695, Dietrich born 1695, Anna Marie Salome born 1704 and Jean born 1707. Marguerite passed away in 1708 and Hans quickly re-married Elsbeth Aeschliman 24 Jul 1708, with further children through 1719.
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Jim Carney III https://www.jnlcarney.com/carney/ birth/death/marriage church records of person and family members, with special thanks to Bruce Fosnocht
Research Notes of Bruce (Fosnocht-12)

Which Hans Verli was the real husband of Marguerite Neuvillers? A multitude of internet trees exist, and cannot agree among 3 candidate sets of parents.

In some trees, the parents are listed as David Wehrli (Wehrli-25) and Barbara Portner (Portner-33) of Wahlern.

Some trees name the parents as Hans Wehrli (Wehrli-26) and Christina Stoll (Stoll-946) of Wahlern.

And other trees name the parents as Peter Wehrli (Wehrli-80) and Anne Nidegger (Nidegger-9) of Guggisberg.

More research was needed to end this speculation.

I have in my possession a spreadsheet containing every BMD record from the church books of Wahlern and Guggisberg in Canton Bern. In addition to every Wehrli record from those 2 parishes, I have added every Wehrli/Verli record from the church books for Waldersbach and Rothau in Ban de la Roche in Alsace. To make the spreadsheet sort and filter properly, I standardized the surname in Alsace to Wehrli, and changed the forename Jean to Hans.

After the proper sorting and filtering of this data, I can confirm that the 3 couples named above are the only families with sons named Hans who could have moved to Rothau in 1669. Which family moved to Ban de la Roche?

The first four Wehrli/Verli men to marry there were named Hans(m. 1675), Peter(m. 1676), Ulrich(m. 1681), and David(m. 1682). All were of the same generation, and probably were brothers.

David Wehrli/Barbara Portner had no sons Ulrich or Peter, and their son David(1650) married Barbara Nidegger 1674 in Wahlern. This family was not the family that moved to Alsace.

Peter Wehrli/Anna Nidegger had sons Hans(1645), Peter(1648) and Ulrich(1655), but no son David who could marry in Alsace in 1682. This family was not the family that moved to Alsace.

On the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that it was Hans Wehrli/Christina Stoll who moved their family to Alsace. Their family group sheet shows that sons Hans(1646), Peter(1652), Ulrich(1657), and David(1660) were born in the same order as their marriages in Alsace. In 1670, Christina Stoll and her daughter Anna were both sponsors at a baptism in Rothau. And their son Peter was the only Peter, son of Hans, in the entire spreadsheet who was eligible to marry in Jeanne Marchal 7 Nov 1676 in Alsace.

There is absolutely no doubt that this is the only Wehrli family that moved from Wahlern or Guggisberg to Alsace. It would be logical to assume that their son Hans(1646) was the Hans who married Marguerite Neuvillers in 1690. Many people, including myself, were guilty of making this incorrect assumption.

After adding every Wehrli/Verli record from the church books for Waldersbach and Rothau into my spreadsheet, I discovered another Hans, son of Benedict Veolin(sic) and Anna Rettemond, born 31 Aug 1666 in Rothau. By sorting the spreadsheet for Hans Wehrli events by date, I was able to identify, and print out, 4 family group sheets, as follows.

1) Hans married to Anna Rothen 1675-1680, with no children and no further record. This could not be the Hans born in 1666 in Rothau, so it must be the Hans born in 1646 in Switzerland.

2) Hans having a 1st child named Christen with Barbara Utiger 25 Jan 1682, and further children through 21 Aug 1691. The Hans born 31 Aug 1666 in Rothau would be only be 15 years and 5 months old in 1682, so this must be Hans the 1646 son of Hans from Switzerland.

3) Hans having a 1st child with Marguerite Neuvillers on 1 Apr 1691 and further children until her death on 18 Mar 1708.

4) Hans quickly re-marrying Elsbeth Aeschliman 24 Jul 1708, with further children through 1719.

Noticing the overlap between the mothers Utiger and Neuvillers, we must assign the Utiger marriage to the earlier Hans born 1646 in Switzerland, and assign the marriage to Neuvillers to the later Hans born 1666 in Rothau. These assignments are confirmed by one other line of data from the spreadsheet. The only one Christen Wehrli in the Alsace records was the first son of Barbara Utiger. At his marriage on 19 Jun 1708, he was identified as the son of the deceased Hans Wehrli from Switzerland, who could only be the 1646 son of Hans Wehrli and Christina Stoll from Switzerland.

By default, this is the final proof that Hans, the 31 Aug 1666 son of Benedict Veolin(sic) and Anna Rettemond, was the one who married Marguerite Neuvillers.